Comments on: The Rain Miracle of Marcus Aurelius: A Case Study in Christian Lies https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12480 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:08:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12480#comment-39306 Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:08:13 +0000 http://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=12480#comment-39306 In reply to Kuudere-Kun.

The nearness of a source does not correspond with accuracy (see No, Mr. Christian, A.N. Sherwin-White Didn’t Say That. And Even What He Did Say Was Wrong.).

Professional history is constructed by an analysis of the reliability of what a source does and says (such as congruence with background facts, external corroboration, biases and methodology, and plausibility).

For example, the first Alexander Romances were written by contemporaries of Alexander the Great; while Arrian wrote five centuries later. Yet historians can prove Arrian vastly more reliable than the Romances, using such data as that.

I even survey some of that kind of evidence here in the article you are commenting on, yet you just completely ignored all of that. It sounds like you are the victim of motivated reasoning here. Whereas I am employing a reliable critical method.

I highly recommend you do the same.

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By: Kuudere-Kun https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12480#comment-39300 Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:04:31 +0000 http://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=12480#comment-39300 So Dio is 50 years after the fact demonstrated massive Embellishments, yet your trust him over the Contemporary Apollinaris regarding the Religion of the persons(s) who Prayed for the Miracle?

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12480#comment-27231 Mon, 04 Feb 2019 18:26:11 +0000 http://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=12480#comment-27231 In reply to Michael Walsh.

Neither thing you claim is happening in that sculpture is there. There is no cross, no cross shape, no Christian symbols at all. I think you are seeing things.

Archaeologists who have studied the sculpture since even before it was worn down by acid rain have consistently reported the two soldiers are enacting what we find in Dio’s description of capturing the falling water to drink in their shields and in chance pots and skins. This is depicting a narrative event, not religious symbolism of any kind. And be that as it may, there are certainly no Christian symbols here.

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By: Michael Walsh https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12480#comment-27228 Sun, 03 Feb 2019 12:05:10 +0000 http://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=12480#comment-27228 Why does it have to be either/or. Look at the two Romans on the front line, directly beneath the right arm of the rain god. The upper Roman holds his shield outwards in an unorthodox way displaying a cross. The other figure directly beneath him but presumably beside him in the front line is holding something large beneath his right arm which clearly can`t be a shield. Seems to me that Christians and Pagans are to the fore on the front line and it is being acknowledged on the column.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12480#comment-25191 Sun, 23 Jul 2017 15:44:41 +0000 http://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=12480#comment-25191 There is now a Czech translation of this article by Andrijana Savicević at this unusual location.

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By: Marc Miller https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12480#comment-24679 Sun, 28 May 2017 17:16:14 +0000 http://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=12480#comment-24679 Great story! Thanks

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By: John MacDonald https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12480#comment-24667 Sun, 28 May 2017 00:44:28 +0000 http://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=12480#comment-24667 All the haggadic midrash would in the New Testament would have been a good selling point too – attaching the new religion to the impressive and respected antiquity of the Jewish faith. To the extent that the Romans respected Judaism, it was because of the religion’s great antiquity, ancestral tradition being regarded as a source of social and political stability (see Esler, Community and Gospel in Luke–Acts, p. 215)

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