Comments on: 20 Questions https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Mon, 13 Jul 2026 19:05:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.2 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-44629 Mon, 13 Jul 2026 19:05:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-44629 In reply to A09.

You need to follow your own thread:

You quoted me saying “the percentage of belief in the supernatural among any population runs in inverse proportion to the quality of their national or local educational system.”

You said this is false, by citing someone who proved supernaturalism didn’t disappear.

I then explained that isn’t what I said and thus cannot disprove what I said.

Now you reassert a false claim (that no correlation exists), which your own source did not support, and which I just refuted.

I guess if you are confused now, it’s because you don’t understand even what you yourself are saying, much less your chosen sources.

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By: A09 https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-44625 Mon, 13 Jul 2026 17:16:44 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-44625 In reply to Richard Carrier.

Very confused by your response. All of that is irrelevant. I only meant that we shouldn’t expect people to become less religious as a result of getting more education. And a particular graph from Storm’s book demonstrates my point. (Although I would expect people to become less religious as a result of getting educated about religion and religious behaviour specifically.) Further on, you yourself seem to agree with me.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-44332 Wed, 17 Jun 2026 16:24:33 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-44332 In reply to A09.

The mistake Josephstone-Storm made is not comparing that to actual medieval and ancient societies, which were vastly more, pervasively more, superstitious, in degree, extent, effort, resource-allocation, and colonization of worldview and social institutions. See World Full of Gods and The Greeks and the Irrational for example.

It is a black or white fallacy to say “some superstitiousness survived, therefore nothing changed.” And it is a straw man argument to say that “percentage of belief in the supernatural among any population runs in inverse proportion to the quality of their national or local educational system” can be rebutted by citing the continuance of merely some superstitions. Their elimination was never claimed.

So I find arguments like theirs to be rather fallacious and useless, and probably agenda-driven.

To see confirmation of my statement against theirs, measure the degree of social impact on just six metrics (there are dozens more that track the same way):

  • How much does magic feature in everyone’s daily lives. Do you cast spells regularly? Do you see talismans all over the workplace and businesses? Are people literally scared of curses? Do we take weird steps to avoid enraging gods or faeries?
  • How much do people prefer gods and spells to material medicine (meaning not just science-based medicine, though also that, but even disenchanted pseudomedicine: today most fools run to acupuncture, ivermectin, and banning vaccines—all physicalist solves—rather than spells, gods, and psychic powers—actual supernaturalist solves).
  • How widely (actually) are ghosthunters taken seriously rather than seen as a joke?
  • How much do we respect dreams and hallucinations of gods and spirits as real? Do we see that as a sign of mental illness or of elevation of someone’s authority to shamanic status? (Emphasis on “how much,” hence the presence of exceptions does not matter to the observation that this has steeply declined in educated societies—and did so even in a ancient societies, e.g. Roman elite society vs. the commons.)
  • How common are supernatural (not superstitious, but supernatural) beliefs relative to degree of education in any society? (Vertical effect)
  • How common are supernatural (not superstitious, but supernatural) beliefs relative to extent of education in any society? (Horizontal effect)

I make this point at the end of my article on Jordan Peterson: fundamentalist religions are dying because the number of people who can still believe in blood magic and demons is declining, and they are declining in direct proportion to quality and degree of education; they are moving instead to secular delusions, e.g. conspiracy theories, aliens, ideologies like white supremacy and manospherism, and so on.

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By: A09 https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-44318 Tue, 16 Jun 2026 08:52:22 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-44318

In fact, the percentage of belief in the supernatural among any population runs in inverse proportion to the quality of their national or local educational system.

This is false according to Myth of Disenchantment by Josephstone-Storm (peer-reviewed). The percentage of belief in paranormal is stable across different population groups based on level of their education. The only difference between different educational groups are the specific types of beliefs: for example, low-educated people tend to believe more in yetis and ghosts, while highly educated people tend to believe more in channeling and telepathy. Marie Curie is a bright example of that: after death of her husband she frequented spiritual seances and even wrote letters to her fellow scientists about how the thing is real and totally works.

Sorry for my bad Englando, not a native speaker.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-36039 Mon, 24 Apr 2023 19:51:32 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-36039 In reply to babaganusz.

Can you be more specific as to which links aren’t working? (Just copy and paste the text, I can then find it)

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By: babaganusz https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-36025 Sun, 23 Apr 2023 13:48:34 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-36025 In reply to Richard Carrier.

the first of the three links is functioning from my phone; each of the other two results in a ‘critical error’ at the Infidels site; but the first paragraph from where the first link lands includes working links for the other two pieces.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-3553 Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:32:36 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-3553 In reply to Mark Weber.

Fixed. Thanks.

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By: Mark Weber https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-3552 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 20:48:13 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-3552 Your link to ” a recent experiment replicating the effect of spontaneous amino acid formation in deep space environments.)” is broken.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-3551 Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:29:29 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-3551 In reply to Elle87.

Yes, I plan to blog about the Cavin slideshow eventually (when I find time), because his approach is Bayesian, and that’s my thing.

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By: Elle87 https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1365#comment-3550 Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:19:33 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=1365#comment-3550 “What accounts for the empty tomb, resurrection appearances and growth of the church?
Long since asked and answered. See my chapters “Why the Resurrection is Unbelievable” in The Christian Delusion (pp. 291-315) and “Christianity’s Success Was Not Incredible” in The End of Christianity (pp. 53-74).”

I think “The Empty Tomb: Jesus Beyond the Grave” (if I’m not mistaken, you were one of the contributors, right?) and “Atheism and the Case Against Christ” by Matt McCormick are also worth mentioning.

Finally, JFYI, yesterday Jeff Lowder has linked to what he thinks is one of the best cases against the resurrection yet presented.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularoutpost/2013/02/must-read-greg-cavins-case-against-the-resurrection-of-jesus/

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