Comments on: Pascal’s Wager and the Ad Baculum Fallacy https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Tue, 25 Mar 2025 08:44:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: albattani https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-40274 Tue, 25 Mar 2025 08:44:38 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-40274 Excellent Blog, as usual! But still, the best answer to Pascal’s wager is the poem by Jacques Prévert…

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39973 Sat, 18 Jan 2025 19:48:10 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39973 In reply to secretlytastemaker867ef0866b.

Refuted in the article you are commenting on.

Please stop commenting without addressing the article. That will get you permanently banned if you do it again.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39972 Sat, 18 Jan 2025 19:46:36 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39972 In reply to secretlytastemaker867ef0866b.

That isn’t true.

Almost no religions by count have any heaven-hell adjudicated by belief (rather than worth). Few even have heaven-hell.

And even counting the rare few religions that are the most popular now solely due to relatively recent imperialism in human history (occupation, compulsion, lock-in, and warfare), i.e. Christianity and Islam, roughly a third of their adherents don’t believe in these ideas, and those are just antiquated sects of Judaism, most of whose adherents have actually abandoned these ideas.

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By: secretlytastemaker867ef0866b https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39962 Sat, 18 Jan 2025 17:38:43 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39962 In reply to ou812invu.

Russel invented the Celestial Teapot by his own admission so it seems less probable than God.

The key to Pascal’s Wager is to wager by probability.

The probability that theists go to Heaven and atheists do not seems higher than the reverse, IMO.

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By: secretlytastemaker867ef0866b https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39961 Sat, 18 Jan 2025 17:07:43 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39961 In reply to Richard Carrier.

Most religions have theists going to Heaven and atheists going to Hell.

Does that influence your view that atheists go to Heaven?

Thanks!

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39953 Fri, 17 Jan 2025 17:41:18 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39953 In reply to secretlytastemaker867ef0866b.

Which you have no sufficient reason to believe exists, or indeed, that anyone but atheists will get to go there if it does.

Hence read the links I have directed you to. It explains. You are ignoring them. And you need to ask yourself why you keep ignoring demonstrations you are wrong and instead just reasserting the statements that have been refuted.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39952 Fri, 17 Jan 2025 17:39:54 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39952 In reply to secretlytastemaker867ef0866b.

And I have some land in Florida to sell you.

And the Ayatollah has some eternal virgins to sell you.

And your local Scientology Office has some levels above “clear” to sell you.

Etc.

Falling for the promises of hucksters is a failure mode.

Read the Outsider Test for Faith for the correct perspective.

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By: secretlytastemaker867ef0866b https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39951 Fri, 17 Jan 2025 00:33:42 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39951 In reply to Richard Carrier.

I think what the wager does is show the stakes involved in our choice…eternal life.

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By: secretlytastemaker867ef0866b https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39950 Thu, 16 Jan 2025 21:56:09 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39950 In reply to Fred B-C.

Jesus said in the Gospels to “build up your treasures in Heaven” and the Gospels are full of passages describing rewards for good deeds so I think becoming Christian for the rewards is Biblical. 🙂

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By: secretlytastemaker867ef0866b https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13810#comment-39946 Thu, 16 Jan 2025 01:18:59 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=13810#comment-39946 In reply to Richard Carrier.

“Depends on all the things they did in their lives. At most we can say they wasted some of their life, and possibly some of the life of millions of others. But what they did with the remaining hours of their lives can’t be determined from merely that.”

Excellent. Thanks.

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