Comments on: Bullshit from Day One: The First Century Gospel Is a Third Century Gospel https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:34:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-30043 Thu, 14 May 2020 16:29:16 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-30043 Update: A thorough story just appeared in the Atlantic, with further updates illustrating Obbink is looking really shady right now, and so is Scott Carroll and his possibly fake mummy masks even, and the Green family is looking even shadier, and so on.

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By: Jeremy https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-29905 Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:34:16 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-29905 Aaand… Oxford professor arrested on suspicion of ancient papyrus theft

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-29607 Thu, 23 Jan 2020 23:50:19 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-29607 In reply to Jeremy.

Ah. Yes. It seems dodgy only trivial things like that. The article is on substantive matters quite good.

And to be fair…

Technically Bart Ehrman is a theologian (all his degrees are in theology and he wrote a prominent book on the subject). And failing to make the distinction of theologian “in what sense” doesn’t bother me in an article where it isn’t relevant.

Likewise, lots of us will say off-hand that Mark wrote Mark—I’ve done that myself from time to time; and so has Ehrman. When I have space, I explain what I mean (it’s simply a convenient a place-holder for whoever did write it). But in an article like this, that distinction is again not relevant to anything the reporter is covering. So that doesn’t bother me either.

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By: Jeremy https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-29606 Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:18:08 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-29606 In reply to Richard Carrier.

Oh, nothing significant – I’d have to read it again, but from memory I think for example they describe Ehrman as a theologian, and Mark as the author of Mark.

I realise my comment looks like I’m disparaging the article, but in fact I found it an absorbing read.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-29580 Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:30:04 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-29580 In reply to Jeremy.

Can you specify what in that article you find inaccurate, omitted, or oversimplified?

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By: Jeremy https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-29539 Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:55:44 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-29539 FYI: A Guardian article on the scandal (with, as is to be expected, obligatory inaccuracies, omissions, and oversimplifications).
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/jan/09/a-scandal-in-oxford-the-curious-case-of-the-stolen-gospel

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-26136 Tue, 12 Jun 2018 01:37:55 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-26136 Update: I’ve added links to Wallace’s now second article, in which he explains more of what went on on his end, and has some questions for the EES; and to a second, expanded statement of the EES (that he is responding to).

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By: TheDen Gaudreau https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-26081 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 00:51:33 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-26081 In reply to Richard Carrier.

OMG that guy Z was truly intense, not to say else…

Even if I wanted to believe so bad there was maybe a real Jesus, I think that you have made the case quite clear, that the evidences are quite scarce to none existant.

The only thing remaining, that comes to my mind is that the Romans have probably destroyed a lot of evidences during those two Jewish wars….

That’s my only way to keep believing in such a small possibility there was a Jesus, like that Samaritan Prophet (was it the Man…), described by Josephus.

Otherwise I think you would have nailed it for good!

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-26014 Mon, 28 May 2018 15:12:21 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-26014 In reply to Arthur Stewart.

The Hatter would surely still say the paleograph was forged and this manuscript really dates to the fourth century and is part of the conspiracy.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14055#comment-26013 Mon, 28 May 2018 15:11:24 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14055#comment-26013 In reply to Javier Mora.

I’d recommend Pagels, Revelations, for a start. The most widespread view is that it was written in the 90s as a commentary on the reign of Domitian, and in defense of Torah observant Christianity against their Gentile opposition. It’s comparable to the Book of Daniel (and as such similarly probably credited to a false author) in serving the purpose of rallying the sect toward a current cultural mission through the motivation of a fast approaching end time (like apocalypses are usually used for, all the way even to Harold Camping in the present day, and the Seventh Day Adventists most famously).

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