Comments on: Adventures at the Society of Biblical Literature Conference, Part 3: Closing Out https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Fri, 01 Aug 2025 20:43:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: db https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-34567 Thu, 02 Jun 2022 20:52:37 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-34567 OP: “D. Clint Burnett of Boston College argued that the terminology of the apocalyptic section of 2 Thessalonians (esp. 2:4) matched known epigraphic and literary evidence of a widespread and well-known royal and imperial practice of seating statutes of reigning monarchs in the temples of greater gods, indeed at the right hand of the larger statue of that temple’s god. He made an excellent case for that; this was clearly the practice the author of 2 Thessalonians was conjuring.”

• Godfrey, Neil (31 May 2011). “Identifying the “Man of Sin” in 2 Thessalonians”. Vridar.

Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

Turmel writes that Bible commentators are at a loss to understand what is meant in this passage by “the falling away” or “apostasia”. They are also at a loss to explain the obstacle that prevents this defection from erupting until it is removed.

Also perplexing is the identity of the Man of Sin who exalts himself above all that is called god or that is revered, and how all this relates to the Temple. Even more unfathomable are the false miracles to be performed what it means that his followers will believe a lie.

Turmel believes all of these mysteries are resolved against the light of the Bar Kokhba rebellion. Without the perspective of the Bar Kokhba war this passage in 2 Thessalonians is an incoherent cluster of mysteries.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-27109 Thu, 03 Jan 2019 21:35:47 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-27109 In reply to Sean.

Start here. That was linked to above in the paragraph introducing the list of points you are asking about. It contains a summary and bibliography of all the latest work on the point.

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By: Sean https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-27104 Mon, 31 Dec 2018 22:17:39 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-27104 “modern stylometrics, which peg the whole paragraph as Eusebian”

Where can I read more on this point?

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By: Richard Stokes https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-26963 Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:18:14 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-26963 Thanks for your comments on the SBL conference.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-26950 Tue, 11 Dec 2018 17:53:45 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-26950 In reply to Hubert Marshall.

Maybe. There were hundreds of talks. I didn’t even look at the panels covering medieval literature. Because it’s wholly irrelevant to the origins or early development of Christianity.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-26949 Tue, 11 Dec 2018 17:52:02 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-26949 In reply to Doubting Thomas.

I don’t know. Thousands were in attendance and the general mode is to keep things like that confidential. So there is no way to tell. They don’t even poll the membership to find out. I think they deem it too dangerous. “We’d get fired if anyone found out” is the common refrain. But there are indeed liberal minded believers; a lot of them are probably “really” atheists, and hide behind semantics to avoid saying so, but I also do think many of them rationalize belief in some sort of wishy washy god unattached to interest in any specific sects or dogmas. See my discussion in Part 1. If they reflect the general populace, the “nones” are increasing but are always evenly split between “don’t believe in a personal god” and “believe in some sort of god.”

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-26948 Tue, 11 Dec 2018 17:47:44 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-26948 In reply to roberttulip.

I don’t understand the question. But the number of scholars coming around to regarding mythicism respectable has increased several times since I published On the Historicity of Jesus. It now stands at twelve on the record. Meanwhile, critics don’t even read the book or fail to address what it actually argues. Conclude from that what you may.

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By: Hubert Marshall https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-26942 Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:25:33 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-26942 Did anyone talk about the existence of the gospel of Gamaliel and what that means . Do you know that this gospel exist.

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By: Doubting Thomas https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-26941 Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:35:37 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-26941 What percentage of those attending would you guess are atheist compared to Christian?

It seems odd that so many of them would recognize the only too obvious human origins of the Bible, but still be believers.

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By: roberttulip https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14911#comment-26940 Mon, 10 Dec 2018 06:51:20 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=14911#comment-26940 Were you about to chat with people about On The Historicity of Jesus? How is your reputation faring in these circles?

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