Comments on: Actually, Fryer Proved Systemic Racism in American Policing https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Tue, 21 Jul 2026 15:09:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1 By: Grégory https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-44691 Tue, 21 Jul 2026 15:09:23 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-44691 That’s crazy how the US system works.Thank you for introducing Roland Fryer.This is a discovery for me.Using this man works to dismantle an historical racist system fact is wild from elite americans. At the same time,it demands courage from the people to look at the history as it is.I believe there will be progress in US, but it’s need times. We all have patterns and biais who shapes our everyday lives. I remember a quote from Malcolm X saying:” If you’re not careful,the newpapers will have you hating the people who are being opressed..”etc. How deep is that.

Moreover, people tend to perceive reaction as victimisation which not the same thing at all.

Thus we (french citizens) understood quickly how american medias are trying to build a narrative around their own history but we are no better.Our politics hide behind words but they are not less racist, it still a european country after all,despite the fact that there is a lot of minorities here.

That’s how I truly respect american people and I know the struggle and the challenge you have to face to change all that. At least US in not Argentina.(their systemic racism is way worse than Usa)

Tchouss

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By: Jeremy https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-35738 Thu, 09 Feb 2023 10:24:46 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-35738 It seems Sean Hannity has hauled Fryer’s study out for another go round.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-30933 Wed, 26 Aug 2020 18:43:31 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-30933 In reply to Jim Weston.

Where does it say this is about history or religion? Or that I only write about history or religion?

You must be confused.

Meanwhile, tu quoque is a fallacy. My article isn’t about problems faced by police. So that there are such problems is irrelevant to everything I just wrote. That you would attempt to use that as an excuse to ignore what I did demonstrate is disturbing. You need to do a reliability test on your epistemology. It’s broken.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-30932 Wed, 26 Aug 2020 18:41:14 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-30932 In reply to Tom.

You’re late to the party. See upthread where I point out the problem with assertions like this.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-30931 Wed, 26 Aug 2020 18:40:13 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-30931 In reply to ou812invu.

Certainly. That’s true for literally everything in the universe. But that some people overclaim x does not mean there is no x. I only write about the x that actually exists.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-30622 Sat, 01 Aug 2020 23:20:23 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-30622 In reply to Carlo Vanelli.

I think at this point you’ve just lost the narrative. You aren’t listening to what I said, and nothing you are saying here is responding to anything I said.

Until you listen, you will not learn.

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By: Jonathan Anderson https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-30584 Sun, 26 Jul 2020 02:28:08 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-30584 In reply to Mike Gainer.

Hi Mike! I just listened to the entire podcast. I paid particular attention to the Fryer section—listened to that section twice. I may have missed something, however it seems to me that Sam didn’t actually say any of the things you said that he said.

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By: ou812invu https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-30573 Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:12:29 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-30573 I’m not going to argue that systematic racism doesn’t exist. But are you willing to see and acknowledge that people often (and systemically would suggest) label everything they see as racism even when there is no evidence for it or the evidence is weak?

For example I’ve heard someone claim that the Republican’s insistence to show proof an ID (proof of citizenship) was another example of racism against blacks. It is obvious that they are trying to keep illegal aliens from casting a ballot in U.S. elections.
My response to that is while racism is a problem in this country, not EVERYTHING is racism and not EVERYTHING is ABOUT YOU!

And then there are the assertions that COVID-19 is another example of systemic racism. What a stretch.

As with any issue or topic people shouldn’t take a side or view point and lose their ability to think objectively.

I think it hurts the cause (so to speak) when people label everything as racism and often end up sounding racists themselves (in the process).

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By: Tom https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-30558 Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:58:47 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-30558 In reply to Richard Carrier.

After such a thought provoking article, the last paragraph is really just dishonest. Not to sound like an NRA shill, but like them or not they are the arguably the biggest defender of gun rights here and blacks in the country are arguably more affected by strict gun laws than any other group, so perhaps there is something to be said about that. Furthermore, they have defended black people (Josephine Byrd, Shaneen Allen and Otis McDonald, to name a few) so to say never is just false, and by your bar, its how we know they are not a racist organization.

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By: Jim Weston https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16891#comment-30548 Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:17:47 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=16891#comment-30548 In reply to Richard Carrier.

I’m not sure what this topic has to do with History & religion. Also, you may want to check the book: “The War on Cops”.

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