Comments on: Piñero Returns https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Fri, 13 Aug 2021 18:39:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Will https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30968 Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:15:17 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30968 In reply to John Oldman.

Dr. Carrier mentioned Avalos on this issue. You may find this useful.

https://www.debunking-christianity.com/2016/01/patterns-of-poor-research-critique-of.html

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30918 Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:59:18 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30918 In reply to Asher Kelman.

You’re right, but this was already anticipated before the event. As all these features were fundamental to Christianity decades before the temple fell. That event only gave a catalyst to perhaps re-boost “sales” of the Christian mission when they had been flagging. But the need of doing away with the temple cult was already foreseen long before, and with good reason (I document this in Elements 23-28 in OHJ, Ch. 5).

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30917 Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:55:38 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30917 In reply to James.

Except that he makes several positive assertions about what is not in it that are false and positive assertions about what is in it that are false. There isn’t any way to do all that without not having read the book. This isn’t like a mere careless reading (I could point to many examples of critics doing that).

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30916 Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:53:54 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30916 In reply to Tom Reeves.

Thanks for catching that. The second is a misprint, based on my original draft, when I had thought he was confessing to that in an audio interview, but he was vague; now, in his reply, he is clear, and insists he read it, and thus it should so read. My published draft was meant to reflect this. I just missed that line later in the text. Now corrected.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30915 Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:49:00 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30915 In reply to John Oldman.

You’re right, it’s not my area. I defer to leading experts for whom it is. Of which there are a great many (from Thompson and Dever to Finkelstein and Avalos).

I have one article on it, which is about someone else’s peer reviewed Bayesian analysis of how the new consensus arose against the likes of Hoffmeier and Kitchen. See A Test of Bayesian History: Efraim Wallach on Old Testament Studies.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30913 Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:30:34 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30913 In reply to ou812invu.

Of course, were that the case, and he were honest, he would say “I don’t read English so I can’t really evaluate Dr. Carrier’s book or its thesis.” But he has chosen to go the other route and claim to have read it and understood it and makes numerous claims about what is and isn’t in it. Which would be an even starker case of lying than I imagined.

In truth, his book (and even his reply now) is so thoroughly dependent on his reliance on English-language scholarship, it would be a scandal if he were to admit he never read any of it because he can’t.

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By: ou812invu https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30890 Tue, 25 Aug 2020 04:09:21 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30890 Just curious if there is a version of your book that has been translated (properly translated) to Spanish?

If not then maybe he simply can’t read a English.

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By: Asher Kelman MD, Ph.D. https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30883 Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:57:29 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30883 In reply to James.

James,

That’s far to generous! When Piñero details in many pages his dismissive criticism of an book as a major contribution to an academic field, he is putting on the mantle of the promise of academic quality and seriously-considered analysis of data. This is a holy task and assumes best efforts. When he publishes that critique any cursory reading without notes is patently no different, in practical academic standards to not reading the actual text. Furthermore he’s aware of what he’s doing. Being drunk with malice while reading is not an excuse for not acting as an honest reviewer.

Asher

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By: John Oldman https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30882 Mon, 24 Aug 2020 16:55:58 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30882 Dr. Carrier, I know this is not your area of ​​expertise, but it would be great if you wrote some articles on the Exodus and the Canaanite origins of the Israelite religion. There are not many skeptical articles online on this topic. As far as I know the main apologists on this subject are James K. Hoffmeier and Kenneth Kitchen.

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By: Tom Reeves https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17060#comment-30880 Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:38:20 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17060#comment-30880 Richard, you say in your opening statement that Pinero insists he read your book. Later, in point 13, you say he admits to not reading your book. Can you please clarify this apparent contradiction?

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