Comments on: Some Problems with Modern Kemetic Mythology https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:40:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.3 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-36833 Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:40:35 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-36833 In reply to Armchair Philosopher.

I’ll probably ignore all baiting, racist or otherwise. In a debate, irrelevant remarks are designed to burn your clock. I am too experienced to fall for that. I will stick to the topic. And if he does not, I’ll call attention to the tactic. And then get back onto topic.

As for how it finally happened, an investor came forward willing to fund it.

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By: Armchair Philosopher https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-36831 Sat, 11 Nov 2023 00:55:29 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-36831 In reply to Richard Carrier.

Congratulations, Dr Carrier. I was pleasantly surprised to see that this 2-year-old beef has been resurrected. Looking forward to the debate with Jabari. Just wondering how this debate finally got set up after such a long time? They initially balked at your appearance fees, so I thought this debate would never happen. I would also like to know how you plan on handling Jabari when he makes racist comments? Thanks for going into the lion’s den. It’s a public service and a rare opportunity for people outside of the Conscious Community to get a look inside afrocentric brain rot.

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By: Carlo Vanelli https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-32237 Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:32:05 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-32237 In reply to Carlo Vanelli.

Armchair Philosopher, sorry I dragged you into this, and thank you so much for your comment; I really appreciate it.

You called out racist behavior when no one else or not many did, you voluntarily got involved in this hostile exchange, identified yourself, and provided the evidence.
I appreciate and love people like you.

And it seems that you agree with me about what motivates many of these religious camps.

Anyway, hopefully Richard will debate Jabari and give him a good schooling because these wacky ideas that Jabari is promoting are spreading rapidly.

All the best brother.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-32231 Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:52:07 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-32231 In reply to armchairphilosopher1.

Well, I won’t be “flying” anywhere anytime soon. But yes, there has been outreach, and I’ve communicated my appearance fee rate (which is publicly available on my booking page). So far everyone has balked at my price, even though it is actually absurdly low.

I am not particularly concerned either way. The kind of reaction they are generating is so embarrassing to them I hardly need enter the fray; they are burying themselves without my help. And every time some arrogant fool thinks they can get over on me with irrational tactics they only end up making things worse for themselves, by literally turning themselves into the poster boys for my every pertinent point. So there isn’t really anything I need do at this point. If they fund a debate, it will go badly for them. If they don’t fund a debate, they’ll just keep talking, digging themselves deeper, requiring no followup from any sane person.

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By: armchairphilosopher1 https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-32226 Tue, 23 Mar 2021 06:01:05 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-32226 Hey Richard, I was watching Sa Neter this evening and Jabari wants to step up to debate you on the Egyptian origins of Christianity, even if you are a “Tamahu” whiteboi racist (according to Jabari’s recent incendiary statements on YT).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDBmNePYVX4 Sa Neter and Jabari are talkin’ about paying you and flyin’ you out for a public spectacle. They’re chomping at the bit for a piece of you. Beware however, Jabari is playing the martyr saying this could be dangerous for him and you may be putting a “target” on his back. I hope you debate Jabari, even if it’s just on YT. Jabari is gonna be be totally embarrassed when you do some mental juijitsu on him and expose his cheap tricks. They make lack of melanated skin and racial scapegoating such an issue, I don’t know if you can stick to the scholarship without getting dragged into the pig pen and get dirtied up. Jabari totally picked the wrong question to argue and he set the bar for scholarship soooooo low. He’s about to violate every common-sense rule of methodology you enumerated in this article. Hopefully we can get a Some Problems with Modern Kemetic Mythology Part 2, at least, no? Jabari has made so many inflammatory public statements about you and your work since the initial Daggersquad interview that some sort of response is justified (and will surely be entertaining. This sh*t is like a kayfabe professional wrestling storyline. Jabari wants to be the baby face and bring the cheap heat while making you out to be the heal.

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By: Armchair Philosopher https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-32211 Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:54:40 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-32211 In reply to Carlo Vanelli.

I am the Armchair Philosopher, whose comment was referenced in the com box in Daggersquad’s Richard Carrier interview, who publicly defended Carrier and called out Garfield for not behaving as a true “brother” ought. If anyone wants to know how Richard Carrier was smeared in a racist way and disgusting way, then I suggest watching the following video; Jabari Responds To Garfield And He Is Very Upset: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5qjy9e7Rao&t=3s The whole premise of the video is that Sa Neter and Jabari are upset that Garfield opened up Jabari for criticism by the wuhite man. Somehow, Garfield allegedly broke the Black Code, and Jabari felt especially betrayed and offended as a result. The whole video is replete with racist language, most explicitly when Carrier is frequently denegrated for being a “Tamahu,” a derogatory epithet for wypippo. Don’t take my word for it, watch it. The racial hatred is on full display for those with eyes to see.

Interesting enough, I was watching Daggersquad today, and Richard Carrier was discussed again. Apparently Carrier is doing another follow-up interview with Garfield regarding Jabari’s whack scholarship. One of panel members, Ra Born, vociferously objected to platforming critiques of Jabari’s Kemetism by Carrier, because scholarly bands of wypippo would follow, and this would be used by the full force of the FBI to label Black people as “extremists.” Raborn used the comment section in this very article to substantiate his point. Here is the link (start about 2hr 11min mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbVSN6jfXEw The irony is that Ra Born complains about wypippo in Richard Carriers blog comment section, but look at what these “konscious” people say about Carrier in the previously linked Sa Neter com box. The difference is night and day. Don’t believe me. See yourself.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-32163 Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:53:48 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-32163 In reply to Carlo Vanelli.

Not a single thing you just said is true. But as anyone reading this thread can see that for themselves, no further discussion is worthwhile.

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By: Carlo Vanelli https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-32161 Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:15:25 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-32161 In reply to Carlo Vanelli.

“Only to such folks as racists who keep ignoring me and lying about what I and other sources say”.

If you are going to make an accusation, you should at least back it up. Again, how was I being racist? What if I called you a misogynist, and you asked me what evidence I had for my accusation, and I responded by calling you a misogynist again. Would you be okay with that?

Just because I mispresented what you said, it doesn’t mean I was lying, Richard. It wasn’t deliberate, therefore it wasn’t lying (why would I want to make myself look like a fool?). And after I re-read what you said, I recognized my mistake. What else do you want me to do?

And what other sources am I ignoring?

“And here yet again you ignored everything I said, misrepresented all the science, misrepresented everything I said, and asked impertinent questions instead of actually engaging with anything I wrote here.”

I’m pretty sure I responded to every point you made and represented the findings of the study I cited pretty accurately.

“Until you recognize your behavior here has been reprehensible and anti-rational, and in what ways, I cannot help you. You do not listen. You do not learn. Instead all you do is continually try to bolster your racist delusional worldview with rhetoric, rationalizations, and attempts at emotional manipulation.”

Your criticism is unfair. I think I’ve proven ever since I started engaging with your blog that I’m opened to listening and learning. And in what way did I try to bolster my supposed racist delusional worldview?

“That is in violation of my comments policy. You are done here.”

I’m pretty sure you are not going provide any evidence for the policy I supposedly violated.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-32155 Thu, 11 Mar 2021 21:37:56 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-32155 In reply to Carlo Vanelli.

You are so antagonistic and hostile.

Only to such folks as racists who keep ignoring me and lying about what I and other sources say.

That’s deserved response.

And here yet again you ignored everything I said, misrepresented all the science, misrepresented everything I said, and asked impertinent questions instead of actually engaging with anything I wrote here.

Until you recognize your behavior here has been reprehensible and anti-rational, and in what ways, I cannot help you. You do not listen. You do not learn. Instead all you do is continually try to bolster your racist delusional worldview with rhetoric, rationalizations, and attempts at emotional manipulation.

That is in violation of my comments policy. You are done here.

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By: Carlo Vanelli https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17733#comment-32148 Mon, 08 Mar 2021 17:20:35 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=17733#comment-32148 In reply to Richard Carrier.

You are so antagonistic and hostile. Why can’t we have an friendly discussion about things we don’t agree? Anyway, I’m going to respond one last time and then end this unpleasant exchange.

“That’s not my job. The one who makes the claim bears the burden. You know this. So what’s with this Christian-apologetic-style burden shifting about? What’s your game?”

I did meet my burden of proof, Richard, I said that someone ALLEGED that he launched racist attacks against you. And I showed you the message.

“Indeed. Then you agreed with me. Why are we still talking about this?”

I agreed that the Afrocentrism notion alone isn’t a logical explanation, but you are ignoring the additional point I made here. You know what it is. I won’t bring it up again.

“There is no such thing. I’ve explained this to you maybe three or four times now. What’s up with you?”

Are you really saying that the Negro Black people don’t exist as a distinct racial group? Really? This is how the Oxford Dictionary defines the term “Negro”: A member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa SOUTH of the Sahara” https://www.lexico.com/definition/negro. Apparently my usage of the term was spot on. Or maybe you would you like a more scientific source?

“No. You cited no studies of skin pigmentation. That’s zero studies.”

The study I cited showed that the Ancient Egyptians of that time period were more closely related to Europeans and Anatolians than to Negro Blacks (modern or ancient), which is a different racial group. Skin pigmentation isn’t the defining feature here. Even if the Ancient Egyptians’ skin pigmentation was closer to that of Negro Blacks, that still doesn’t mean that they were more closely related to them than to the Europeans and Anatolians.

“OFFS. Please learn how to read. Don’t take words out of context. Basic SAT question here. These are my actual words:”

So why didn’t you make bold those parts before? Were you deliberately setting up a trap for me? LOL Just kidding! Ok, I fucked up on this point! I misread what you said!

“Ah. Now we discover your bias and motivation. You are a racism apologist. Got it.”

That statement doesn’t make any sense. How does me not wanting SJWs to corrupt History and Science indicate that I’m a racism apologist? Am I having a discussion with a teacher of critical thinker or one of those paranoid SJWs who thinks everything is racist, sexist, and every other negative “ist” and “ism” in the English language? But at least those woke morons aren’t versed in critical thinking, whereas you are, and that’s what scares me: If “wokeness” can do that people like you imagine what it can do to the average person.

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