Comments on: A Psychology of Men? A Critical Review of Robert Glover’s No More Mr. Nice Guy https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Mon, 29 Dec 2025 20:43:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-42747 Mon, 29 Dec 2025 20:43:54 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-42747 In reply to Humatuk.

I appreciate your comment. It’s helpful to hear what others think here.

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By: Humatuk https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-42713 Fri, 26 Dec 2025 05:42:11 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-42713 I am halfway through this book, and I have been feeling both confused and skeptical about most of what Glover claims. As for the causes of the Nice Guy Syndrome—feminism, feminized education, and the Vietnam War—just no. That does not apply to my experience at all (born and raised in Spain, so no connection to Vietnam whatsoever, and definitely not a feminized education—quite the opposite, probably). Your article explains the problems with this book remarkably well, and I will be reading your recommendations instead, although I still have to finish Glover’s book anyway, because my mind will go ballistic if I leave it at 52% on my Kindle.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-42247 Sat, 22 Nov 2025 18:43:04 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-42247 In reply to Desi.

Thank you. I appreciate that. It was a lot of work, and long-form blogging isn’t popular. So I appreciate knowing people are finding it worthwhile.

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By: Desi https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-42224 Thu, 20 Nov 2025 19:14:47 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-42224 I just read this book, and I had a lot of problems with it that I struggled to express. I was struggling with figuring out the line between the bullshit and the good points; I knew it existed, I just wasn’t sure where. Your article did a good job of explaining the issues, and pointed out some that I hadn’t seen. Thanks for writing it!

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-39542 Mon, 25 Nov 2024 17:36:58 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-39542 In reply to Sim.

The lack of any evidence and argument for that assertion tells me you are letting your feelings replace facts. Feelings don’t care about your facts. So, you must face those facts, no matter how upsetting.

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By: Sim https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-39532 Fri, 22 Nov 2024 05:39:26 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-39532 In reply to Richard Carrier.

you are wrong

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-37899 Tue, 07 May 2024 16:47:57 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-37899 In reply to Garratt Mooney.

Note the only reason I include “white” here is that, at least in America (for complex historical reasons), a particular mixture of racism and sexism is commonplace, producing a synergy between white identity and male identity: they reciprocally amp each other up. It is thus important to understand their tight relationship (see this article for an introduction to this phenomenon).

But the general idea of “male grievance” (as also “white grievance”) is a culture and mindset whereby men (qua men) complain about things and blame others for those things, when they have the wrong conception of what is even causing those things. They have “grievances” not legitimate complaints. And they center their grievances egoistically (it drives most of their ideology). And this then becomes a domain of code words and dogwhistles: where someone will see a sentence and interpret it through the lens of that cultural perspective.

Thus “it does not feel safe or acceptable for a boy or man to be just who he is” is a dogwhistle: it is a coded, indirect way to appeal to (and thus activate) this grievance culture, so that the writer and his aggrieved reader know what he means, but the author retains plausible deniability should anyone else criticize what he really meant (he can then claim he “didn’t really mean that”). This is a well known psychological and rhetorical phenomenon and it is a red flag for bigoted or toxic ideologies. It thus raises an eyebrow and is a subject of concern. It is possible Glover is oblivious to this and did mean something else. But that’s still a problem. Because it means what he “really meant” won’t be what many of his readers heard him say.

For more on white male grievance culture as a phenomenon see the EverybodyWiki entry on Grievance Politics and its bibliography. For examples see my article A Bayesian Analysis of Susannah Rees’s Ishtar-in-the-Manosphere Thesis and Edward Lempinen’s article “Loss, fear and rage: Are white men rebelling against democracy?” for the Berkeley News, as well as Eric Madfis’ sociological study “Triple Entitlement and Homicidal Anger: An Exploration of the Intersectional Identities of American Mass Murderers” and Leigh Paterson’s updated observations from it in “Many Mass Shooters Share A Common Bond: Male Grievance Culture” for NPR (those authors apply the cultural phenomenon as an explanation of a more isolated phenomenon of mass shooting, but in result they document and illustrate the wider culture that generates those extremists).

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By: Garratt Mooney https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-37893 Tue, 07 May 2024 14:05:02 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-37893 I was going to read this book because it was recomended by a friend. As with any ‘self help’ books I wanted to know the qualifications of the author and did a quick google search for reviews and your article came up. After readying the first portion (which I found informative) I came across a term that I didn’t know how to define, specifically ‘white male grievance culture’. Could you elaborate on what exactly your refering to here?

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-37161 Fri, 09 Feb 2024 17:42:27 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-37161 In reply to Shan.

My conclusions logically follow from the actual evidence. His do not.

That’s the difference.

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By: Shan https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18508#comment-37160 Fri, 09 Feb 2024 01:23:19 +0000 https://www.richardcarrier.info/?p=18508#comment-37160 You are just selling the ideas just like the person you are critiquing. I don’t know how does that make you any different.

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