Comments on: And Paul Fidalgo! https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:17:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6211 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:17:12 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6211 In reply to snowman.

No, that’s not what I am saying. But you are clearly disinterested in the truth, so it matters not at this point.

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By: snowman https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6210 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:50:30 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6210 Wow, fantastic argument, Richard: “I’m just going to keep saying I’m right bc I can’t argue with clear logi, now go away.”

What was that horrible neologism you used on another post, “head-in-sanding”?

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By: snowman https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6209 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:46:34 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6209 In reply to snowman.

Oh, OK. So now you’re saying their repudiating you directly – in their faqs, and in their forum – wasn’t the repudiation “you” were talking about.

You’re unbelievable.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6208 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 02:55:23 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6208 In reply to snowman.

Nice try. But that’s not what we were talking about.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6207 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 02:55:00 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6207 In reply to snowman.

I haven’t libeled anyone. Everything I have actually said is true. You evidently don’t know the difference between libel and free speech.

I’m growing bored of this bullshit. Go away.

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By: snowman https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6206 Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:54:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6206 In reply to snowman.

Do your own clicking. But how about this one where you just admitted you knew all about it! http://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3018/comment-page-1/#comment-31586

Holy Buddha, how can anyone trust anything you post? You don’t know the first thing about having an intellectual conscience; for you it’s all about fighting and obfuscating and “winning” points.

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By: snowman https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6205 Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:50:39 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6205 In reply to snowman.

So you can’t argue with the logic of what the guy posted about the law there bc that would be “semantic”? In other words, “No mas”, you admit his logic is correct?

Until you can prove using the law that he hacked a server and committed a crime and violated rights, you should not libel him. Some nut could use YOUR low standards to say you raped a child and are a criminal and so forth “in his book” and “morally a criminal”, even when you never broke the law, like say had a young looking gf.

Btw, why do you always use the cheapest debate tactics when you’ve clearly lost a point? I’d never heard of TF until the post above. You guys live in tiny little circle over there. As soon as someone nails you on a point you post that they must be a christian or a sockpuppet or some such thing, as though that would make any difference to the point at hand. Really makes you look untrustworthy, Richard..

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6204 Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:24:41 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6204 In reply to snowman.

No, he used a standard invite, no flaw in the server at all.

Yes, it’s a flaw in security that allows a used invite to be re-used even after someone is de-invited and no new invite has been issued. That’s reusing a theater ticket. Just as I said.

No, he did so the same as he did the 1st time, same as everyone does. He used the invite he was given to enter.

Hmmm. Now I’m starting to think you are a sock puppet for Thunderf00t.

He knew he was barred from the list, exploited a loophole to get back in, and then stayed quiet and culled emails so no one would know he was there. That’s evidence of guilt: by hiding, he knew he was doing wrong; he likewise knew he was doing wrong when he used an old invite after being de-invited. Indeed, when we caught him and kicked him out again, he tried hacking back in several times (only that time we closed the security loophole so he failed), thus evidencing his guilt again (since he knew full well he had been barred twice but kept trying to sneak back in). That’s as I see it. And as I expect anyone it was done to would see it. Or indeed as almost anyone with a basic sense of morality would see it.

No, is it spying to be invited to a party but not talk to anyone?

He wasn’t invited. He was de-invited. That he could exploit an earlier invite is reusing a theater ticket. And yes, hiding, when you know you’ve been kicked out of a room and then sneak back in using an expired invite, is indeed spying–insofar as taking steps to gain access where he knew he was expelled, and taking steps to avoid being detected there as long as possible, listening in on what went on, is “spying.” Which sounds like a reasonable description to me. Indeed, I’ll bet lots of actual spies do exactly that, in all sorts of ways.

Your attempt to avoid the fact that he knew he was violating our constitutional privacy is either game-playing (you are just fucking with me), or you are Thunderf00t trying to self-rationalize a despicably immoral act that makes his name mud, confirming him worldwide as an untrustworthy dirtbag who will violate the privacy of people doesn’t like, and not even be ashamed of it.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6203 Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:12:30 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6203 In reply to snowman.

Semantic quibbles that avoid the point being made are a boring waste of time.

(We haven’t charged him because he isn’t in the U.S. and lawyers cost more than we think it’s worth, since his credibility has already been ruined, which is punishment enough. But if I find him in the U.S. one day, and the statute of limitations hasn’t run out, he might get a surprise.)

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By: snowman https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2832#comment-6202 Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:13:39 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=2832#comment-6202 In reply to thunderstruck.

>>He exploited a security flaw.
No, he used a standard invite, no flaw in the server at all.

>>Moreover, he did so in stealth (thus evidencing his guilt).
No, he did so the same as he did the 1st time, same as everyone does. He used the invite he was given to enter.

>>He used an invitation from earlier, which did not say he could re-use it
Did it say he couldn’t use it??? Did you have a contract saying he couldn’t use it again? Ahhh….

>> and then he made sure no one noticed he had done so and spied on us.
No, is it spying to be invited to a party but not talk to anyone?

>> In the same fashion, using a movie ticket twice to sneak into the theater is illegal.
If the ticket for which you have a contract says for one show only, yes. But his ticket didn’t say that, it would have said “Click here if you want to join the list and receive our emails” (I assume). So he did just that, and you guys agreed again!

Apparently your server admin is as bright as your understanding of basic logic and the law.

So, prove otherwise, have the police arrest him, or stop falsely libeling someone by saying he hacked your server and stole your emails and violated your rights and is a criminal, all of which are clearly entirely false.

If you can’t be trusted to be truthful on small points like this…

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