Comments on: May Online Course on Free Will https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Tue, 02 Jun 2026 21:29:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8338 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 17:32:15 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8338 In reply to spicyhippoplankton.

Just FYI, to you (since you might want to lurk in future CFII courses) and anyone else reading this, “just lurking” is totally fine in those courses. In fact, I think that’s a considerable asset to them. They allow people to learn things they might not otherwise, at an affordable price, and at their own level of involvement, whatever they want and feel comfortable with. Yours is a good case in point: you learned a lot, and didn’t have to do anything but listen in. So thank you for posting that.

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By: spicyhippoplankton https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8337 Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:00:22 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8337 This was a great course. I ended up only lurking (chickened out at the last minute!) but learned a lot from reading the discussions. Having been critical in the past of compatibilism (after reading Freewill by Harris), I have come to a better understanding of this view. I will have to re-think my position on this. Thanks!

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8336 Fri, 03 May 2013 16:08:24 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8336 In reply to Elle87.

That’s the best data we have on what philosophers think. But since, IMO, most philosophers suck (as in, aren’t consistently logical, don’t know half of what they’re talking about, and have no reliable standards for determining whether they are wrong), I don’t place too much weight on that data as far as deciding what the correct view of things is. But if all you want to know is “where philosophers are” as a whole on certain conclusions, regardless of whether they are right, then that poll is the thing (note this polling project does get updated over time, e.g. here is what the results were in 2009).

As to where I am, I agree with more majorities on that list than not (even, e.g., on both politics and normative ethics: I am in the “other” column, along with the small majority), but not with all majorities (e.g. I am certain Platonism is false with respect to abstract objects). But as to free will, I do share the majority view: I am a compatibilist.

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By: Elle87 https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8335 Thu, 02 May 2013 22:16:15 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8335 Speaking of free will and other philosophical musings, just out of curiosity, do you generally agree with the “consensus” of philosophers reported here?

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/04/29/what-do-philosophers-believe/

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8334 Thu, 02 May 2013 16:22:03 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8334 In reply to George L..

I won’t know. I will announce any future class I teach here on my blog (so you can subscribe to its RSS feed or something, options are at the bottom and down the left margin), but for others, you should contact the CFI Institute and ask if they have a newsletter or email list for announcing classes.

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By: George L. https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8333 Wed, 01 May 2013 16:24:00 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8333 I missed the registration deadline. When will the next class be so I can keep a watch for it?

….and check the blog more often.

Thanks,

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8332 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:59:07 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8332 In reply to robotczar.

(1) Free will is not a religious concept. It was first discussed by secular philosophers (most especially Aristotle and the Epicureans and Stoics).

(2) I have a Ph.D. in the history of philosophy and have published in peer reviewed philosophy journals (plus one formally peer reviewed chapter in philosophy), in addition to a great deal more writing and study in the subject besides. Does that make me more of a philosopher than you?

(3) My course will refute all your false claims and assumptions about what free will “is” (and what its utility is). And it will do so by citing a number of professors of philosophy who agree with me.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8331 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:53:40 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8331 In reply to Birger.

I don’t know what you mean by “beats” it. It doesn’t even pertain to it and thus doesn’t answer it at all. If instead you mean it’s of really good quality, I don’t agree, since it ignores abundant contradictions and complexities in the evidence, and even says things that are outright false (such as that “Phlegon” dated the death of Jesus, much less that he dated it to the year 33, neither of which is true). That paper is a work of tendentious and occasionally incompetent apologetics. Not objective scholarship.

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By: robotczar https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8330 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:57:01 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8330 I don’t really want to seem contrary or overly negative, and, everybody has to make a living. But, I find your effort to promote the concept of free will a bit, well ,let’s say, inconsistent. It IS something that people desperately wish to believe and therefore a good thing to sell. But, I would like to raise a few points.

First, free will seems to me to be very much a religious concept. I suggest the idea arose when religious philosophers needed to explain that we must be responsible for our choices or we cannot be judged by a god. So, this topic seems a bit contrary to some of your positions about religion and gods.

Second, I don’t see you as either a philosopher or a scientist, so I sort of wonder why you consider yourself qualified (i.e., have expert knowledge) about this topic. Maybe you do, but I haven’t seen such qualifications from the talks I have heard you give. I don’t see historians as experts on free will, though maybe they know about the history of the idea.

Third, I would argue that most scientific evidence we have suggests that fee will is a construct without much validity or use. Perhaps that is what you are going to tell people, but I doubt it. They would demand their money back (and claim that their free will led them to do so).

Lastly, let me just give my view that the concept is merely one of those ideas humans invent because it makes sense to their limited minds. For example, primates like us seem especially prone to see cause or causal agents in every event. So, we see ourselves as causal–causing events by some sort of intention. Nature and the universe may not need our invention at all. Shit happens, but it is not necessarily chosen or “caused” (implying a causal agent rather like creationists see creators). The idea of fee will may make no real sense, sort of like the idea of “nothing” (which if you think about it cannot make sense as it implies the existence of something that does not exist) or asking what happened before the big bang.

If a tenuous deterministic chain of events is not determining our choices (as implied by quantum mechanics), then stochastic probability IS (as implied by quantum mechanics). All the new age hokum people spew really is not going to make our “will” “free” no matter how much it makes us feel good.

My real point is that it is useless and pointless to talk about free will.

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By: Birger https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/3510#comment-8329 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:46:04 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=3510#comment-8329 What do you think about http://www.academia.edu/3371901/Dating_the_death_of_Jesus ? Beats your thesis about Luke and Matthew not being reconcilible, yes?

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