Comments on: Secular Sobriety Program in Crisis: Lend a Hand https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Tue, 02 Jun 2026 21:53:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.2 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12082 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 02:57:32 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12082 In reply to paulabryder.

Links would be handy. Please provide them. Otherwise I know nothing about that.

But also, non sequitur. Thomas Jefferson kept slaves, which is way worse. That doesn’t discredit the present United States or its Constitution. So I will assume you meant something more than you stated.

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By: paulabryder https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12081 Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:02:49 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12081 In reply to The Nerd.

Isn’t that the group founded by the woman who went on to kill a man & his daughter in a drunken head-on collision? That Audrey Kishline & her group. Yeh, not so much.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12080 Sun, 02 Mar 2014 04:40:53 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12080 In reply to E.

I would rather someone who isn’t a Christian fundamentalist obsessed with possibiliter fallacies and just-so stories. Eddy and Boyd are too biased to see clearly or argue well.

Goodacre, Crossley, Davies, I think possibly they could do a good job pro-historicity, even Bermejo-Rubio (after he reads On the Historicity of Jesus and Proving History, since they go together to make a complete argument). I don’t expect the best historicity defense to be successful (though welcome one that is), but it should at least be worth reading, enough that people can fairly compare the two views.

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By: E https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12079 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 23:08:08 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12079 We need a scholar who actually takes mythicism a serious possibility to write a book and answer some points. To be honest I think Paul Eddy and Greg Boyd did a pretty good job on explaining some things in Paul that I find convincing, but I think more scholars should try to investigate the matter. I believe, personally, that Jesus did exist, but I just think scholars are just doing a bad job of proving that he did because they do not want to take such a view seriously. I understand because many of these scholars have written thousands of pages on a historical Jesus, and all of it would have been utterly worthless if Jesus was mythical.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12078 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:32:40 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12078 In reply to E.

They are both awful. Ehrman’s has the more errors. But Casey’s is the most useless. I know, you’re wondering how that can be. I’ll summarize when I get the review up. Casey’s book reads like something written by a crazy person. It’s almost exactly like some weird blog by some wildly unorthodox Christian apologist who just randomly stream-of-consciousness rants about these other blogs he read. Ehrman’s book at least had an intelligible structure. (And authorial discipline and skill.)

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12077 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:28:02 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12077 In reply to Jackson.

Yes, Bible Unearthed is the perfect analog to Jesus Interrupted.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12076 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:27:00 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12076 In reply to neilgodfrey.

That’s a good point and I’ll definitely be mentioning that.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12075 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:21:11 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12075 In reply to KiloPapa.

I don’t put much value in DNA. Culture is king. I’m breeding Richard (or Rochelle!) Carrier Jr.’s with my writing, speaking, and blogging, and, selectively, mentoring.

Likewise every other outspoken and active atheist scholar, writer, entertainer, who are making their own intellectual babies left and right.

That’s why the quiverfull movement is doomed. They are just making babies for us.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12074 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 03:18:04 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12074 In reply to The Nerd.

Cool. For readers’ benefit I’m assuming you mean this group.

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By: E https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5195#comment-12073 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 00:38:41 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5195#comment-12073 Is the Maurice Casey book a better one than Bart’s?

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