Comments on: Secular Organizations Can Get Free Course Admission https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5547 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Tue, 02 Jun 2026 21:42:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: mlt5198 https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5547#comment-15221 Fri, 09 May 2014 00:49:32 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5547#comment-15221 Most appreciative for all the thoughts and comments Dr. Carrier.

mlt5198

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5547#comment-15220 Wed, 07 May 2014 17:30:38 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5547#comment-15220 In reply to mlt5198.

Well, still not the best place for this comment, but that said…

1a) The Septuagint, Enoch, Homer, possibly early Josephus, and other Jewish apocrypha, the Epistles of Paul, and possibly the missionary teachings of Paul and other Christians. And his own literary imagination.

1b) Mark invented the sayings of Jesus, mostly or wholly (and when mostly, he is adapting sayings received by revelation passed down by the apostles). There was not likely any Q. Luke is redacting Matthew, in a freer style at several points. See Goodacre, The Case against Q</em>.

2) The latter. See Goodacre, Thomas and the Gospels.

3) Entirely a forgery. Josephus never mentioned Christ in any capacity. See my chapter on Josephus in Hitler Homer Bible Christ (that’s a reprint of my peer reviewed academic article).

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By: mlt5198 https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5547#comment-15219 Sun, 04 May 2014 20:55:33 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5547#comment-15219 Hi Professor Carrier,

Many thanks again for your time and thoughts on the previous collection of questions that I posted. I read a good deal of the material that you linked to your response and they were instructive and informative as always.

I have a couple more questions:

1) What do you feel the author(s) of the Gospel of Mark used as his sources for the complex redaction/synthesis that he achieved in his gospel? Do you feel that the parables and logia attributed to Jesus might have originated from a non-Q written source that is no longer extent or do you feel Mark put them into Jesus’ mouth as a part of his redaction editing?

2) As a corollary to that, what are your thoughts on the relationships between the canonical Gospels and the Gospel of Thomas. Do you feel that they shared a common source for the logia material or do you think the author of Thomas read the canonical gospels and simply de-deified what was read about Jesus?

3) Do you feel that the reference to Jesus in the Testimonium Flavianum in the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus is entirely a forgery by a later Christian interpolator(s) or do you feel that it might have contained an authentic reference that originally was potentially highly suspicious of Jesus’ existence or his messiahship? Do you take Origen’s reference to Josephus as “although not believing in Jesus as the Christ” to mean that the Testimonium wasn’t present in the copy Origen possessed or that it had a authentic reference to a Jesus, but was deprecatory?

Many thanks again for your time and research!!!

mlt5198

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By: wordsgood https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5547#comment-15218 Sun, 04 May 2014 12:27:39 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5547#comment-15218 Now, if I just had a few dozen more atheist friends…lol. I have one friend who openly admits to being atheist, several who waffle, at least publicly, and the rest all theists of one stripe or another.

Would you accept a smaller party of…one…for a free course? Kidding.

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By: COEXISTential https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5547#comment-15217 Sun, 04 May 2014 11:06:29 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5547#comment-15217 The force is strong, today 😀

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