Comments on: On the Historicity of Jesus: What Would You Look Up? https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Thu, 29 May 2014 00:31:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15308 Thu, 29 May 2014 00:31:10 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15308 In reply to Jeremy L.

Much later than that. They haven’t even started discussing an e-edition contract with me, much less beginning production. I estimate (very roughly and out of the blue) that an e-version will arrive a year after print. Insofar as I ever have any ability to, I shall try to accelerate that outcome. But right now I am not optimistic.

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By: Jeremy L https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15307 Wed, 28 May 2014 22:15:29 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15307 Slightly off topic, but probably a question that many people are asking: Sheffield Phoenix are still saying on their website that “On the Historicity of Jesus” will be published in June. Can you give any indication of when electronic versions (Kindle and/or epub) will be available?

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15306 Wed, 28 May 2014 20:47:57 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15306 In reply to Jeremy L.

Not exactly. That would be too tedious (and not terribly useful). Ancient passages relating directly to historicity (e.g. in Josephus, Tacitus, etc.) are in the subject index. Everything else is in the NT, so covered by the scripture index. The only other things that matter are modern authors (for which there will be a separate index) and ancient authors and persons mentioned in the main body (and not just in notes), which are in the subject index (likewise places that matter).

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By: Jeremy L https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15305 Wed, 28 May 2014 19:59:05 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15305 I’m reading the Richard Bauckham book “Jesus and the Eyewitnesses” to understand some of the apologist “arguments” in anticipation of OHJ. While there are some really ridiculous things in this, one thing that I’ve found useful is his division of the index into four separate sections, namely “Ancient Persons”, “Modern Authors”, “Places” and “Scriptures and Other Ancient Writings”. I know you’ve done a scripture index, but are you thinking of further breaking down the index along the lines mentioned above?

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By: Zoro Hutchenson https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15304 Wed, 28 May 2014 07:34:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15304 This is a bit late but “St. Paul and temporal lobe epilepsy” (he was thought to have it).

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By: Seanbruck https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15303 Wed, 28 May 2014 02:20:07 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15303 Chronology of theologies and events between ~6bce – 100ce according to ahistoricity vs the chronology in the strongest version of the argument for historicity.

Theology ex: most historicists propose a low christology (Q) evolving to a high christology (John). Your model is I believe high christology (Paul) followed by lower (Mark) followed by higher (John). It would be helpful to see these models lined up in sequence to highlight their differences.

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By: roiderien https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15302 Mon, 26 May 2014 14:17:31 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15302 Bart Ehrman–He’s a formidable biblical scholar and atheist whose recent book argues for the existence of Jesus the man.

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By: junego https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15301 Sun, 18 May 2014 03:35:34 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15301 Ascension of Isaiah
Earl Doherty
Marcion
All the non-canonical gospels, acts, etc.
Enoch, Books of
Maccabees, Books of
Diatesseron (sp?)
Didache

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By: Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15300 Thu, 15 May 2014 21:59:29 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15300 Translation, History of [biblical books/epistles]
…should include references to original language of authorship for different books as well as how books reached English (since that’s the language we’re reading in). Did the translation pass through Latin on the way? Is this a book that started in Aramaic or Greek? That sort of thing would be useful to be able to find.

Consensus
Consensus, argument from (see also, Authority, Argument from and Populum, Argumentum ad)

Zombie, Invasion of Jerusalem by (Not)

Geza Vermes was mentioned earlier, but I’d like a separate index citation to “Dead Sea Scrolls” [even if it redirects to a more appropriate entry, like “Bible, early manuscripts” or some such].

Essenes
“Teacher of Righteousness”

John Dominic Crossan (as a popularizer of the idea we can “know” the “historical Jesus” he might be in your book; alternatively “historical Jesuses, conflicts between” might be even better than simply listing the popularizers)

Masada
Second Temple, destruction of
…I’m rather hoping these events are mentioned in setting the stage for understanding what the political environment was, so that we can better understand the context in which people might feel motivation X or undertake action Y.

other things I wanted were already covered, but include things like Maccabees (the book and the family and revolution with which they are associated), John the Baptist, Q, Saul/Paul, Bart Ehrman, Avalos, Tacitus, Pliny, Josephus, etc.)

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By: Tom Higgs https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5584#comment-15299 Wed, 14 May 2014 18:07:54 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5584#comment-15299 Chrestian
Chrest – the good
Chrest in early manuscripts (Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus, Vaticanus) and inscriptions
Changing of Chrest to Christ
Modern scholars not givinf correct translations
Normal methods of historians compared to methods used by NT scholars
Do NT scholars even do history
Hector Avalos, End of Biblical Studies
NT Minimalism
Applying Copenhagen school of thought to the NT
Thomas L Thompson
Palaeography pseudoscience?
Scientific testing of all manuscripts
NT Manuscript provenance revisited
Maurice Casey and Bart Ehrman failed cases for Jesus historicism

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