Comments on: The American Refugee Crisis: It’s Time for the Godless to Speak Up https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Sun, 29 Jun 2025 17:14:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1 By: myntra discount coupons https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15975 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:58:25 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15975 This really is rather applicable period as heightened included in the web publication. Truly appreciate discussing about encompassing.

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By: Geoff https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15974 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 02:33:44 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15974 In reply to Enopoletus Harding.

It’s interesting that somehow you think Costa Rica has some kind of responsibility for the refugees that the U.S. does not. Costa Rica (I guess because it is a “Latin” country) has no more responsibility that we do for non-citizens.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15973 Sat, 19 Jul 2014 00:04:35 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15973 In reply to Tarkington.

There are even better women, I dare say. Gasp!

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15972 Sat, 19 Jul 2014 00:02:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15972 In reply to oldoligarch.

Where are the armies of secularists?

You mean all the actual armies?

Um, dude, the combined forces of NATO, NORAD, the UN, the British Commonwealth, the African Union, the Pan-American Union, South Korea and Japan vastly outnumber the small renegade militias you are talking about (ISIS: 10,000; the US alone: 145,000,000).

And I didn’t even include Egypt, which has the largest secular military in the Middle East, or the secular armies of India, Turkey, and Israel.

Why don’t we see young men flocking to the standard of a secular regime?

You mean like the vast crowds of hundreds of thousands protesting in favor of secularism in Turkey and Egypt? Or the nearly hundred million Americans who vote Democrat? Or…well, you know, nearly every voting person in the first world? Or the entire Egyptian Army (= secular). Or the Turkish or Israeli or Indian armies (= secular). Etc.

Dude, get out of your bubble and live in reality with the rest of us. For all its problems, it’s a lot less scary out here than inside your private Willy Wonka Factory Gone Wrong.

as I believe the three social characteristics I mentioned above cannot be successfully combined.

That sounds like you have a religion there.

I mean, you believe it. You don’t have any evidence of it. But gosh golly, you believe it.

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By: Tarkington https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15971 Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:14:18 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15971 A true moral deficit in Washington. Now haven’t we heard enough to already. There are only greedy assholes running our country with no ethics. I’ve no faith in Obama anymore…what a jerk. But I guess when he said he was good a killing people with drones, the coverups, NSA, and going after whistleblowers and cozying up to wallstreet, we kind of already knew it already. What a sham of a presidency. There are much better men who would have been a much better job. Jesse Jackson would never have let this happen for one.

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By: Tarkington https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15970 Fri, 18 Jul 2014 01:11:20 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15970 A true moral deficit in Washington. Now haven’t we heard enough to already. There are only greedy assholes running our country with no ethics. I’ve no faith in Obama anymore…what a jerk.

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By: oldoligarch https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15969 Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:17:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15969 You seem to believe the younger generation in Islamic countries will be more liberal and secular, but as far as I can tell the men in the extremist groups we see on the news are young and wiling to fight for their views. Where are the armies of secularist?Why don’t we see young men flocking to the standard of a secular regime?In the Spanish Civil War an international brigade of leftist fought for the Republic,why aren’t we seeing these extremist groups face a secular army? Are there simply not enough secularist?Are does Secular Humanism just not inspire self-sacrifice?

As far other cultures,I think there is something of beauty in every culture, to include Euro-American, and thus worthy of preservation. So I’m not xenophobic.

The countries you listed as examples of successful multicultural democracies have not only faced separatist movements but devolution , a transfer of political power from the center.Something I expect we will see in the U.S.A.., as I believe the three social characteristics I mentioned above cannot be successfully combined.
In multicultural societies the central gov’t. must avoid even the appearance of favoritism,a not always easy task.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15968 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 01:16:49 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15968 In reply to oldoligarch.

You do know that “Islamist regimes” are minorities, right? That’s why they have to be armed regimes. You don’t need to hold the public off with guns, if the public is on your side.

Egypt is a case in point: the Brotherhood is shrinking (the rise of seculars and liberals there is scaring them), and that’s why they threw the constitution out the window as soon as they got a man elected. And then the people rose up. And a war machine was deployed to silence them. Then the secular military waged a coup. And the Egyptian public endorsed the coup. Until it, too, got out of hand. But even then the public wants the democracy they fought for in the first place. They do not want a Caliphate.

That’s all because the conservatives are declining in numbers and power. A few more decades and they’ll be done for.

As for your xenophobic fear of alien cultures and your bizarre pseudoscientific understanding of anthropology and sociology, no comment needed. Take a chill pill and actually learn some shit about other people for a change. Trust me. The Spanish aren’t coming to get you.

Oh, BTW, Quebec (English and French bilingual state); the United Kingdom (Welsh, Gaelic, and English multilingual state); Spain (the Basque and Catalonian separatist movements have faded and integration has been steadily on track); even Belgium (only 15% favor separatism; otherwise, multilingual, and even the capital of the European Union). And yet we are not looking at anything even remotely like these states. Here immigrants reliably learn English within two generations and integrate with American cultural values. In fact, in terms of cultural and political values, Southerners differ from Notherners significantly more than Caucasians do from Hispanics.

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By: oldoligarch https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15967 Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:44:33 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15967 R.C.All data. Like, all of it. Just go and try to find any data to the contrary.

Military intervention in Algeria and Egypt has been necessary to protect secular regimes from Islamist who won popular elections .If secularism/liberalism had majority support this would not be necessary.

R.C.What would that have to do with anything?

You were praising Central and South American countries for their “humane” treatment of refugees (at least on paper) in contrast to your obvious contempt for the protesters in the United States.But it is far easier to accept/assimilate refugees and immigrants who are similar ethnically/racially/culturally to the dominant population of the host society than those who are different ,alien.
Given humans are a social and territorial mammalian species this is not surprising.Racial and cultural cues are indicative of relatedness.Most of the refugees/immigrants to these countries are Hispano-Indian and similar to the dominant population in this respect as well as in language and religion.This is not so in the U.S.A.
Multiculturalism is not a new permanent socio-political reality destined to be permanent but rather a transitional period to a new cultural and political reality.
The U.S. is attempting to combine three social characteristics I don’t know have ever been successfully combined: Racial/cultural pluralism+democracy+strongly centralized state.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/5923#comment-15966 Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:17:33 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=5923#comment-15966 In reply to oldoligarch.

What data supports this conclusion?

All data. Like, all of it. Just go and try to find any data to the contrary.

Even international Islam has been trending toward secularization and liberalization–that’s why the conservatives are getting more violent and extreme: they are losing; Fareed Zakaria has written quite a lot about this, for instance.

Do the refugees to these Central and South American countries differ culturally or racially from the natives?

What would that have to do with anything?

(Maybe you think the U.S. population has always consisted of a “native white population” since the dawn of time…rather than, in actual fact, consisted almost entirely of widely diverse refugee and immigrant cultural and racial groups since there were “states” here. Because the latter is the reality. And it’s worked out pretty darned well for us so far.)

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