Comments on: Did No One Know Blue in Ancient Rome? https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Sat, 02 Jul 2016 14:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17372 Mon, 27 Apr 2015 02:45:28 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17372 In reply to umlud.

A relative of mine tried getting stoplights to be red and blue (since that color blindness is rare to nonexistent). But they never persuaded anyone.

Meanwhile, the Japanese figured it out on their own and went with it.

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By: PZ Myers https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17371 Sun, 26 Apr 2015 19:28:38 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17371 But if they couldn’t tell Blue from Green, how did they know who won the chariot race?

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By: Phillip Hallam-Baker https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17370 Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:17:06 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17370 Gingerbaker, in fact the majority of native americans could not see the ships but the reason was quite simple and obvious: They had just been wiped out by European plague carried on those ships.

Looking again at the original piece, it seems to me that this is an example of the zombie proof by deference to authority.

One of the key differences between argument on the left versus the right is the role of authority. A right wing troll will usually begin an argument by riffing off a statement made by someone they consider to be an authority. If the person happens to be a Democrat, it will be asserted that ‘even liberals’.

Such arguments hold little weight on the left today. We have all heard too many specious arguments attributed to Marx or Adam Smith. The idea that the complex interactions of a modern political economy were fully understood and solved by a man who died before the development of the internal combustion engine has always been absurd.

Here we see the ideological mind at work. They find a fanciful theory attributed to a great man. They wonder if it has been overlooked! Then instead of seeking to disprove their new pet theory, they look for evidence to support it.

In general, any assertion based on small n psychology samples needs to be taken with considerable skepticism. And the same goes for large. It is really hard to measure any effect in laboratory setting without contaminating the result.

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By: Afzal https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17369 Sun, 26 Apr 2015 06:47:31 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17369 How come the letters ‘er’ no longer depict the sound as in ‘ERror’, why can’t people tell anymore? Replace the ‘r’ with an ‘n’ and it’ll be plain…unless you also think ‘en’ is equivalent to ‘un’.

perhaps the insensibility is related to misperception of culurs.

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By: umlud https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17368 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:29:00 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17368 Of course, Homer could also have been red-green color-blind, and thus a green sea looked wine-colored to him. Given the fact that red-green colorblindness is the most common form of colorblindness (and it’s only found among men), this seemed to be a plausible explanation to me when I learned about the “wine colored sea.” (That, and the possible problems of translation, of course.)

Although I’m not colorblind, it has always struck me as strange that we use red and green lights to indicate stop and go for traffic, that we use red to imply bad and green to imply good in so many visuals and graphics, despite the fact that up to 10% of males in a population are red-green colorblind.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17367 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:16:39 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17367 In reply to Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-.

Well, they certainly would not have known what they were (drifting debris? weird sea creatures?). But if the claim is that they would be invisible, well certainly not. If strange and unfamiliar things were thereby invisible to our perception, we’d have gone extinct long ago.

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By: gingerbaker https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17366 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 15:13:54 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17366 Happy to see your obliteration of this nonsense. 🙂

Reminds me of another ridiculous claim floating around from that execrable movie “What the Bleep Do We Know?” – that American or Carib Indians literally could not see the sailing ships of arriving Europeans because they had no cultural reference to such contraptions.

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By: Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk- https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17365 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:01:01 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17365 In reply to Danny Butts.

Interesting.
In Irish “glas” means, totally unsurprisingly, “green”

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17364 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:35:30 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17364 In reply to Outis.

Sure. But then, that’s what one should say. And how the headline should read. Cause, you know. 🙂

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7307#comment-17363 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:34:22 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7307#comment-17363 In reply to mordred.

That may be. I’m not an ornithologist, alas.

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