Comments on: Old Timey Radio Presents: The Amazing Whitey Spidey! https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Tue, 02 Jun 2026 21:59:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12960 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 18:37:09 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12960 In reply to Daniel Henschel.

Thanks for that informative comment, Daniel. All very illuminating. And I concur on principles.

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By: Daniel Henschel https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12959 Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:03:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12959 Ed and Some Dude are both a little confused. Samuel Jackson isn’t playing Nick Fury Jr., because NFJr did not exist until AFTER Samuel Jackson’s portrayal of Nick Fury.

Nick Fury was re-imagined as a black man in Marvel’s Ultimate universe, and modeled after SLJ because, well, because he kicks m-f-ing ass. SLJ loved it, even though it was an unauthorized likeness, and basically agreed not to sue them over it as long as he got to play the part if the character ever made it to the movies.

Nick Fury Jr. came along later, after the success of SLJ’s cinematic Nick Fury, as Marvel’s way of updating their main universe’s Nick Fury to match the ultimate and cinematic universes.

IMO, obviously some characters were designed in part as a racial character, so recasting them is right out. Black Panther is an obvious example. One could argue that Captain America is another. Would a black man ever have been chosen as the symbol of America back in WWII?

But for most characters, I wouldn’t object to racial recasting in principal. I’d just rather it be justified by creative reasons rather than editorial or studio mandates. Like Nick Fury. So the question to me for Spider-Man isn’t could Peter have been a young black science nerd instead of a white one, but rather who is making the decision, and for what reasons?

And of course, this being entertainment, in the end all that matters is if the final product is fun and entertaining. And whether it is good or not, I would bet money that either way the reason won’t be Peter’s skin color, but rather the writing, plot, acting, directing, etc. IOW, the creative decisions.

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By: P. Clodius Pulcher https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12958 Fri, 03 Jul 2015 06:27:58 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12958 From Aryan Jesus, to John Wayne as Genghis Khan, to making the MIT blackjack team white, no non white is too established or too sacred to avoid being white washed, yet Peter fucking Parker is too precious to be black? And this is in a genre that regularly features multiple universes, alternative timelines, time travel, magic and alien technology. Those things are all acceptable; but, having a black portrayal of a character coming of age in New York City, being raised by his grandparents, and losing a father figure to violence, stretches your imagination?

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12957 Fri, 03 Jul 2015 01:36:53 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12957 In reply to Some Dude.

Ah, so we’re asking now about Peter Parker, Jr.

[Or not.]

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By: Alif. https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12956 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:41:33 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12956 As it happens that Black Widow [Latrodectus] is played, oddly enough, by a white [jewish?] lass. ‘N no-wun bats an eyelid.Great. How about sumwun , p’rhaps a (nativ) american/east asian/caribbean extraction/ transgender playing uhm the incredibl hulk?

N ‘au kum John Steed isn’t in the Avengers gang?

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By: starskeptic https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12955 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 06:46:23 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12955 A. Not relevant to my point.
B. Nothing in what Lee said (or what’s apparently in the agreement) would prevent that.
C. See B.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12953 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 03:04:09 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12953 In reply to Steve Watson.

Actually, the customer is always right.

AKA

If you ignore the fans, your sport ain’t that great.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12952 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 03:03:27 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12952 In reply to Ed.

That answer didn’t make any sense.

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By: Some Dude https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12954 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 02:59:44 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12954 Richard asks: “What’s the problem with Nick Fury being played by “a black guy”?”

And it was at that time that comic book fans around the world did a face palm. Nicholas Joseph Fury Jr. is black; and so it is fine for Jackson to play him.

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By: moarscienceplz https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7884#comment-12951 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 01:18:56 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=7884#comment-12951 According to Stan Lee, what has been evermore shall be, amen, amen.
OK. Spiderman has existed for 53 years. Assuming Peter Parker was at minimum 15 years old then, therefore Spiderman by Stan Lee’s own logic must be at least 68 years old.
Fine, let Spidey deal with an enlarged prostate, age discrimination at his day job, failing teeth, osteoarthritis, and the occasional bathroom accident in his Spidey suit.
Enjoy your comics, white boys!

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