Comments on: Euhemerization Means Doing What Euhemerus Did https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Tue, 02 Jun 2026 23:20:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-25648 Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:16:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-25648 In reply to Richard Johnson.

“the theory of Euhemerus that the mythologies of various gods arose out of the deification of dead heroes” and “interpretation of myths as traditional accounts of historical persons and events” = Yes. Heroes that didn’t exist but are “theorized” to (e.g. Zeus and Uranus in Euhemerus). That’s Euhemerism. Inventing fake past heroes to explain current gods. As opposed to just deification, which is actual past heroes who actually became worshiped as gods (e.g. Julius Caesar). So, you’re right; these sources just don’t explain further that that’s what they mean.

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By: Richard Johnson https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-25637 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 21:12:59 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-25637 How do you explain that many dictionaries seem to define this word as the exact opposite from how it should be defined? For example (“Euhemerism”):

Dictionary.com: (often initial capital letter) the theory of
Euhemerus that the mythologies of various gods arose out of the deification of dead heroes.

Merriam-Webster: interpretation of myths as traditional accounts of historical persons and events

The definition should be more like:

The creation of a fictional human origin for a mythological character. The opposite of “Deification”.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-13171 Thu, 12 Nov 2015 18:18:24 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-13171 Note: Someone suggested off-blog that the confusion stems from conflating Euhemerism as the actual process, with Euhemerism as the “school of interpretation,” the latter meaning the 19th century rationalist movement (as I mentioned), which is obsolete now, and was weird then. These are the guys who insisted all miracles happened but were natural phenomena, like that Jesus only looked like he was walking on water because of a surprise shallows. Things like that. That has nothing really to do with Euhemerus or antiquity. But even then, the same thing happened: they made up historical persons out of non-historical ones. The only difference was: the rationalists believed their own bullshit. But apart from that, it’s still non-existent persons being turned into historical ones.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-13170 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 19:36:59 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-13170 In reply to Giuseppe.

Yes. People who want only atheists to make use of euhemerization are inexplicably annoyed by the fact that theists can euhemerize their gods, too. They are further annoyed (just as inexplicably) by the fact that euhemerization can be a ploy (to conceal a cosmic truth under a historicized allegory) rather than a sincere maneuver. I have no idea why they are annoyed by these things or so desperate to insist they can’t happen or don’t reflect adaptive uses of what Euhemerus did. But alas.

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By: Giuseppe https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-13169 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 16:30:15 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-13169 Gakusei Don objects against your definition of euhemerism (as invention of a historical man from a previous celestial god) by claiming that the end product of a true euhemerist should be ALWAYS a mere man removed by all “miraculed up” features (making any euhemerist simply a denier of the divinity of his hero): not precisely the Gospel Jesus.

I would bear a strong counter-example against “atheistic” definition of euhemerism claimed by GakuseiDon, confuting it in support of your definition:
OSIRIS.

Because of the following two reasons:
1) the PRIESTS of Osiris historicized Osiris
2) but not to dismiss or to deny any his previous deity, but at contrary in order to reiterate implicitly his deity, making the “historical” Osiris basically a sacre allegory of the true celestial Osiris as didactic introduction for the initiates to the inner mistery. An ALLEGORY just like the allegorical simbolic Jesus of the first gospel.

As my logic goes, the GakuseiDon’s definition of euhemerism cannot include my counter-example, but your definition yes.

What do you think? Am I correct?

Very thanks,
Giuseppe.

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By: Mr Horse https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-13168 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 02:03:04 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-13168 In reply to DavidC.

Yes, “those advocating such a theory (including Richard) are not engaging in euhemerization”, they are either discussing euhemeriation, and particularly it’s application.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-13167 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 01:34:45 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-13167 In reply to maryhelena.

Thanks. He is making distinctions not relevant to the current question, though. But he collects a lot of useful data all the same.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-13166 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 01:27:31 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-13166 In reply to Simen.

a) and b).

Re: b) Acts is different from Luke (the Gospels) in the respects explained in Chapter 9.7. Acts is presumably based on real history. So on h there really was a James his brother who really did lead the church for a major period etc. And there really was a mother and father and other brothers who were involved and would have been causally entangled with the history of the early church. But on ~h there wasn’t.

Also, the children of Jesus don’t disappear in Acts. His brothers and mother (and sisters and father) do. That’s not an RR criterion.

a) Finally, the RR criterion only produces a factor in conjunction (e.g. if Jesus met that criterion and only five others, he would not be in the RR class in the first place). But more importantly, the data for the RR assessment extracted into b comes from the Gospels, not Acts. I have separated Acts and the Gospels in e.

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By: Mr Horse https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-13165 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 00:20:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-13165 In reply to Bruce.

Besides Osiris, other Egyptians gods were also euhemerized: Isis, and Serapis were.

The imagery of Serapis is similar to that of Jesus.

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By: Mr Horse https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161#comment-13164 Mon, 03 Aug 2015 11:12:28 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=8161#comment-13164 Euhemerizing is essentially changing the narrative about an entity by ‘anthropomorphizing’ it

ie. giving that entity human attributes

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