Comments on: A Better Movie on the Jesus Myth

By: Richard Carrier

Richard Carrier — Thu, 29 Oct 2020 00:48:43 +0000

In reply to Viv Aldistaw. Only to the delusional who are easily conned by fake evidence and bad reasoning and don't know how to build a chronology of the primary evidence and watch it change over time.

By: Viv Aldistaw

Viv Aldistaw — Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:56:39 +0000

In reply to David Booker. I find this subject fascinating, but you guys really need to drop the Roswell analogy. The Batman one is far more appropriate. Once you research the UFO topic enough, you'll learn there's definitely some substance to it.

By: Richard Carrier

Richard Carrier — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 20:23:38 +0000

In reply to Drudge16. I'm more optimistic. All they have to do is leave out everything that isn't well established in the evidence. Of course, that will end up being mostly my stuff, but there is some stuff that survives that test, which I think is methodologically ineffectual but is nevertheless true. For example, a lot true can be said in general about the role of astrotheology in antiquity, and about its role in later Christianity. It's just when you try to link it to the origins of Christianity that the evidence dries up. Similarly, one can build a more robust presentation of dying-and-rising savior-god parallels, even beyond what I do in OHJ, which resembles in purpose what has been said by some of the less well-argued authors, but simply won't match exactly in content (e.g. I doubt much will get said about Horus).

By: Drudge16

Drudge16 — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 23:25:09 +0000

I’ve heard them say in another interview that they will seek to focus on the common ground between Richard Carrier, Robert Price, David Fitzgerald, Kenneth Humphreys and D. M. Murdock, as they feel too much focus is placed on the disagreements. Good luck with that; if they stick to it, there won’t be anything to talk about. Perhaps they could show all five saying Jesus probably didn’t exist, but that’s it. They’re gonna have to pick sides, if they want to actually say something, and it’s not gonna be pretty. Let’s see how they fare.

By: PsychopompGecko

PsychopompGecko — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 17:33:47 +0000

It always struck me as amusing that so many people would go “Well, it’s not like they’d just make up this Jesus character!” in an age where we have superheroes in the movies constantly and Mickey Mouse urging us to come visit his magical kingdom.

By: John MacDonald

John MacDonald — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 17:15:46 +0000

In reply to John MacDonald.

That should NOT have read: “In either case, Jesus’ crucifixion in Paul serves a theological function, so it can be doubted as to whether it can be traced back to the historical Jesus (because it could have served a theological purpose for the first Christians to invent these events and attribute them to Jesus).”

BUT RATHER:

“In either case, Jesus’ crucifixion, burial, and resurrection in Paul serve a theological function, so it can be doubted as to whether they can be traced back to the historical Jesus (because it could have served a theological purpose for the first Christians to invent these events and attribute them to Jesus).
Sorry,
John

By: John MacDonald

John MacDonald — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:23:25 +0000

I think there may be no reason to believe that the central events of the religion (1 The Crucifixion, 2 The Empty Tomb, 3 The Resurrection) have any historical memory attached to them. Paul says Jesus died, was buried, and was raised “according to scripture (1 Cor 15:3),” which could either mean that (i) Jesus’ crucifixion, burial, and resurrection were fulfilling scripture, or (ii) that Paul discovered Jesus’ crucifixion, burial, and resurrection through an allegorical reading of Hebrew scriptures (e.g., the implicit piercing of hands and feet, Psalm 22:16b). In either case, Jesus’ crucifixion in Paul serves a theological function, so it can be doubted as to whether it can be traced back to the historical Jesus (because it could have served a theological purpose for the first Christians to invent these events and attribute them to Jesus). Biblical scholars commonly use this hermeneutic process to exclude attributing miracle stories to the historical Jesus.

By: Richard Carrier

Richard Carrier — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 02:08:39 +0000

In reply to Pierce R. Butler. That might happen. But I am not under contract and I have no control over the process.

By: Richard Carrier

Richard Carrier — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 02:07:57 +0000

In reply to taber. Your link takes me to a long tedious thread in which I can't find anything posted by Lippard. Was that the wrong link? Or did you mean to say something else?

By: Richard Carrier

Richard Carrier — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 02:05:16 +0000

In reply to John MacDonald. I don't know. I'm not connected to anyone who was developing that.