Comments on: On the Gullibility of Bart Ehrman & the Asscrankery of Tim O’Neill https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991 Announcing appearances, publications, and analysis of questions historical, philosophical, and political by author, philosopher, and historian Richard Carrier. Wed, 27 Nov 2024 15:57:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Charlie Brady https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-39554 Wed, 27 Nov 2024 15:57:32 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-39554 In reply to Bertil Lundman.

That website has disappeared from the web and was not archived by the Waybac Machine.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-32222 Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:50:01 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-32222 In reply to Chris Piechowicz.

I can’t comment on any specifics there (I don’t watch O’Neill videos and avoid reading him as much as I can now), but of course that’s all bullshit. My book on historicity already refutes him on the Jesus angle, and the rest is soundly refuted in The Scientist in the Early Roman Empire. He has never actually responded to either, despite all his bluster and bloviation.

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By: Chris Piechowicz https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-32217 Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:34:15 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-32217 In reply to booker.

Yep. Just had my first interactions with Tim (the tool) O’Neil. Need to keep it brief. He has zero evidence for a real jesus person and relies on some scholars he points to…and he’s a conservative arrogant spelling nazi, who doesnt fix his own blog. But he thinks he knows better than most prominent atheists, because the stars shine upon him. He just started a video series, correcting atheists, because they’re all mythicists (he doesnt need evidence of jesus) and christianity largely (apparently) played a positive role in science throughout middle ages etc., which all atheists got wrong.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-30568 Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:34:13 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-30568 In reply to Gabriel.

Footnote: I said in my Origen paper. Available in Hitler Homer Bible Christ.

Whealey: Alas. Such is the fate of most academic monographs today.

Use your local public library. The reference librarian will help you apply for an interlibrary loan. You can get any book, or indeed even any article, for free that way (or for a nominal fee).

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By: Gabriel https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-30563 Tue, 21 Jul 2020 04:06:30 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-30563 In reply to Richard Carrier.

On the footnote you cite, are you referring to Ken Olson’s article A Eusebian Reading of the Testimonium Flavianum or something different? I also can’t find Alice Whealey’s Josephus On Jesus in any libraries around me and I found one copy on Amazon for over 900 bucks!

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-27433 Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:01:43 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-27433 In reply to ou812invu.

I published a response a year ago.

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By: ou812invu https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-27432 Fri, 15 Mar 2019 02:34:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-27432 In reply to Richard Carrier.

At the end he actually attempts to make some actual rebuttals and counter-points concerning the writings of Josephus. More specifically he attempts to offer some clarification on his position about how Josephus introduces new characters. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-27168 Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:07:34 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-27168 In reply to Gabriel.

A deliberate interpolation in the James passage would not be so erroneous and obscure. Christians would have composed a paragraph or at least a few lines and referenced Christianity and Christian interests more explicitly, as the TF did. For more on why a deliberate interpolation thesis doesn’t work for the James passage, consult the scholars I actually cite and footnote on this point in the Origen paper. They have collectively several paragraphs of argument that hold merit on this.

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By: Gabriel https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-27163 Mon, 21 Jan 2019 02:29:55 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-27163 Hello Richard. I just finished reading your paper Origen, Eusebius, and the Accidental Interpolation in Josephus.

Your argument for an accidental interpolation sounded very plausible, but I didn’t come away from reading it with a feeling that a deliberate interpolation was less probable. When you briefly assessed arguments for a deliberate interpolation as relying on too many assumptions, it was treated in isolation from the TF, but given that the TF is a very deliberate forgery, and that it exists in the same text preserved by the same people, this shows us that the caretakers at Origen’s library in Caesarea had no ethical constraints in the deliberate tampering of the text you are examining, so there’s no need to postulate an accidental interpolation as more probable than a deliberate one, especially since the first person to mention AJ 20.2000 is also the first person to mention the TF, and if Eusibius is the main culprit for the TF, would that not make him equally suspect in a deliberate corruption of AJ 20.200?

It seems to me that in order for an accidental interpolation, we’d have to assume that the caretakers genuinely wanted to preserve Josephus correctly, which is understandable in normal circumstances, but in this situation, we have the TF inserted in there, which changes everything. Plus, now that you’ve proven that Origen only thought that he found a reference to James, the brother of Jesus, in Josephus, and actually didn’t, we now have a motive to place on the caretakers for why they would choose that particular spot in AJ to fabricate a mention of Jesus.

What are your thoughts? If there are any errors in my logic here, or if there are facts/premises I have glossed over or am ignorant about, I’m sure you’ll let me know.

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By: Richard Carrier https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9991#comment-26447 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:12:13 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/?p=9991#comment-26447 In reply to Bertil Lundman.

Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll do that sometime in the coming months. I’ve dealt with Joshua Sommer’s apologetics before.

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