It astonishes me that anyone can still get articles through peer review defending the dead philosophy of Idealism. As I documented before in my series testing the standards in academic philosophy, the field’s reliability is not that great. Which is inexcusable. It could be doing better than this. After all, eliminating Idealism is one of the great achievements in philosophy proving that that field actually makes progress in human knowledge (see my survey of this point in Is Philosophy Stupid?).
This doesn’t mean that physicalism is settled philosophy. I think that’s trending well on the side of probable by now. There is a reason 52% of all philosophers are physicalists and that this becomes 68% of all philosophers when you exclude delusional theists. But Idealism is still the least likely alternative. There are theisms more likely; and those are pretty damn unlikely. Yet nontheist alternatives do even better still—nontheist nonnaturalisms (like Taoism) outperform theism; and nonphysicalist naturalisms (like emergent qualia dualism) outperform those. So Idealism is right up there with “Faerie Abductions” or “Lizard People Secretly Rule the Earth.”
I’ve already covered this from the other side of the equation before:
- The Argument from Specified Complexity against Supernaturalism
- Naturalism Is Not an Axiom of the Sciences but a Conclusion of Them
- The Argument to the Ontological Whatsit
- We Are Probably Not in a Simulation
And in respect to mental facts in particular, in The Mind Is a Process Not an Object: On Not Understanding Mind-Brain Physicalism and Bayesian Analysis of the Barkasi-Sant’Anna Defense of Naive Memory Realism. More as I go.
Bernardo Kastrup: Idealist from the Paleozoic
The article I will be analyzing today is from (the somehow still) Idealist philosopher Bernardo Kastrup, who is a real philosopher with a website and a publication history with Scientific American, but is also a whackadoodle theist, crypto-Catholic, infamous pseudoscientist, and magical immortalist who literally wrote a book called Why Materialism Is Baloney, while believing UFOs are remnants of advanced Paleozoic civilizations. He sounds like a Peterson-style Jungian about Christianity, but is nevertheless confident that “evidence for” the “existence of a conscious, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent agency” is “literally all around us” and that “the survival of consciousness beyond physical death is, in fact, a direct implication of our most basic common sense.” Right. So, basically, Deepak Chopra with a philosophy degree.
The “serious” article from Kastrup I will address is “An Ontological Solution to the Mind-Body Problem” from Philosophies 2.1 (2017), which is the peer-reviewed version of an earlier and more rambling essay from his website, “On why Idealism is Superior to Physicalism and Micropsychism” (which I also consulted). Kastrup has been criticized before (e.g. by Philip Goff, Paul Austin Murphy, Jerry Coyne, Nathan Hawkins, etc.), but usually from varying and limited perspectives (and often having to cope with his arrogant and bombastic rhetoric). I will simply treat this one peer-reviewed study as if it were a serious, self-contained argument worth the bother of paying attention to. It isn’t. But I do this for a living. And I do that, so you don’t have to. You’re welcome.
As I proceed, you might think you’ve heard this sort of crazy before. And you’d not be wrong. It shares a lot in common (methodologically and metaphysically) with the peer-reviewed ramblings of The Blondé-Jansen Argument from Consciousness. They aren’t arguing quite the same things. But they certainly (figuratively) belong to the same club. And both are crank pseudoscience that should not be getting past peer review—and as long as this stuff continues to be, it makes it hard to take philosophy seriously as a professional field of knowledge.
From Thesis to Model
Kastrup posits a “spatially unbound consciousness” as “nature’s sole ontological primitive,” i.e. a boundless, pure consciousness is the ground of all being, and everything else is (in one fashion or another) a causal consequence of that; and he aims to argue that this is more “parsimonious” and has more “explanatory power” than alternatives. I am being nice and leaving out all his weird vocabulary, like how you are a “dissociated alter” and your enfleshed skeleton and the chair you’re sitting on and the cat summoning you to feed it down the hall is just the “appearance of phenomenality surrounding” you. As an actual analytical philosopher, my approach is to get past gobbledygook like that and boil down what he is claiming to its communicable essentials, and see where he might be going wrong—either in his employment of logic, or his treatment of evidence.
Kastrup first purports to present the basic facts, with a bunch of weird acronyms and diagrams (Part 1), then outlines how his model of reality explains those facts (Part 2), then responds to some “criticisms” (Part 3), and then compares his model to “Physicalism” (which he defines as “that all ontological primitives, in and of themselves, are unconscious, consciousness arising only at the level of complex arrangements of primitives”) and what he calls “Bottom-up Panpsychism” (which he defines as “that at least some ontological primitives are conscious in and of themselves, their combinations leading to more complex consciousness”), while throwing in an illogical rant at the end about the impossibility of general AI (Part 3). Yes, that comes out of left field. It’s weird. But we’ll take it seriously and get to it eventually.
I won’t bother with his discussions of “Bottom-up Panpsychism.” That’s just as much nonsense as his alternative (I’ll let the Stanford Encyclopedia sort you out on that). Not all panpsychists take the view Kastrup describes. And even if we included them, adding physicalists would still leave us with a lot of alternatives still unaddressed here (from Taoism to emergent qualia dualism, and even Traditional Theism). So Kastrup appears more concerned to “take down” what he perceives as his most vexing enemies: the most popular view in professional philosophy, Physicalism, and the quite unpopular view that nevertheless appears to get chucked at him a lot: Bottom-up Panpsychism (I assume from Whataboutism, where people shout “But what about Bottom-up Panpsychism!?”). It’s a position really only of interest to him. Competent philosophers have long since moved on.
Conceptual Problems
Kastrup says that “according to the ontology of idealism, physical entities exist only insofar as they are in consciousness,” but the principal problem with such ontologies is that they don’t inherently fit observation, and thus have to be “gerrymandered” with epicycles to fix that disagreement with the evidence. I discussed this long ago in response to a Christian apologetical argument that atheists should be metaphysical constructivists, a similar view (see Defending Naturalism as a Worldview: A Rebuttal to Michael Rea’s World Without Design). What I pointed out there applies here: if reality were mind-first, it should act like it. But it doesn’t. Our thoughts and beliefs cannot alter or even affect reality, except through physical machinery. Our minds are trapped by physics; physics is not derivative of our minds. This is exactly what we expect on physicalism. Whereas, as I wrote last time, “since many other outcomes are possible on the theory that the properties of objects are in any way mind-dependent—for instance, the world could behave like a cartoon,” or a dream or fantasy novel, what we actually observe is less probable on any mind-first ontology. That we have to “rig” Kastrup’s thesis with cherry-picked epicycles in order to get it instead to result in—weirdly—exactly what we would expect to observe on physicalism, pretty much disproves Kastrup’s thesis.
We can mic drop right here. But I’ll give him a full hearing anyway. As we proceed through his article, we descend into ever more egregious logical and empirical mistakes, thus explaining his ever-accelerating slip into his absurd worldview. So it profits to see where and why he goes wrong.
For example, Kastrup is aware of the problem I just mentioned. He admits physicalism is “prima facie more easily reconcilable with [empirical] facts than idealism.” He mentions, and concedes, mind-brain correlation, shared universe, mind-independent physical laws, and atomic and particle physics. Which are all inherently predicted by physicalism (you can see how this is the conclusion, for example, of any sound Argument from Consciousness, both negatively and positively). But Kastrup misses the point. For example, he frames the question as “How can there be such tight correlations between observed brain activity and reported inner experiences” without physicalism, which makes it look like all he needs is any other theory that would explain that. But that’s not how empirical logic works. The real question is “Why is there even a brain?” Physicalism explains this. Idealism does not. The same reframing topples his every other point: every aspect of universal atomic and deterministic physics goes the same way.
For example, Kastrup thinks he only has to answer the question, “How can [the universe] unfold according to patterns and regularities independent of our volition?” But in fact he has to answer the question, “Why should it even do that in the first place?” In other words, he doesn’t need any just-so story he can make up. Rather, he needs to make this observation a deductively probable outcome of his model. But he cannot do that without epicycling it death. Which tanks its probability. Contrary to what Kastrup later claims, physicalism is actually more parsimonious because it doesn’t need any ancillary hypotheses to explain this at all (much less hypotheses so finely tuned to exactly fit all the hyper-specific evidence). The mere simple proposition of physicalism logically entails this explanation. So why do we need another?
And this problem is legitimately asymmetrical: physicalists do not need to predict specifically “quarks,” for example, because their model entails that it should be something like that at the basis of every solid thing we know; but idealism does not predict even that it should be something, which means the idealist does need to explain why, specifically, all matter reduces consistently to quarks. What need does any cosmic mindspace have for those? And how—indeed why—does it keep it that same strange thing for everyone? Yet it does that even when there aren’t observers (as the evidence “it’s quarks” extends into deep cosmic time). All cosmic history and direct human conscious experience could proceed entirely without quarks—unless, it can’t, which is physicalism.
Likewise, when we get to asking questions like “What decided it would be that way?” and “What keeps it steady?” physicalism predicts it will be a fundamental physical ontology of some reductive kind (the ultimate units of existence will be extremely simple and not elaborately complex—whereas minds are elaborately complex). But idealism does not predict this. So how do you get it to, without making it elaborately complex? And that would be going in the wrong direction explanatorily. To explain one complex thing by appeal to an even more complex thing actually makes your explanation less probable. Whereas reductive explanations gain probability hand-over-fist.
Physicalism plus science can thus explain the weirdly complex machinery of the Periodic Table. But Idealism plus science can’t explain any of it. “But we can make up a bunch of add-ons to Idealism to get it to” simply trades a declining prior probability for a rising explanatory power—the net effect is a drop, not a gain, in probability as an explanation. I explained this before with the example of Cartesian Demons, which Kastrup’s worldview essentially is: he posits an invisible cosmic mind that tirelessly everywhere maintains the presentation of a world to us that weirdly looks exactly like a physicalist one, while hiding all evidence of its doing so. That’s literally the least likely explanation of anything.
Empirical Problems
This is not the only sign that Kastrup is prone to a delusional blindness to the actual obligations that logic places on his model (or indeed any model). For example, he argues that it is a fact that “if a neurologist performs a functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) scan or an electroencephalogram (EEG) of a person’s brain activity, the measurements are only known insofar as the neurologist—or someone else—sees them consciously.” So he wants to set a premise that those readouts don’t exist but for a closed loop with at least someone’s consciousness. But this is not relevantly true. We could, if we were so inclined, build an fMRI such that its signaling a patient is thinking of a human face (operating a circuit with a very identifiable location in the brain) would release a lever that set off a bomb that burned down a forest. No one would need to consciously observe any of this. The forest would burn up regardless.
This is an important point, because this is precisely what the physicalist thesis entails: brain activity is physically causal activity; and as such is so even through the mediation of its physical effects on everything else in the world—including, say, an fMRI attached to Rube Goldberg’s Amazing Forest Razer. This is how we can be sure the universe existed even when there were no minds yet to observe it (such as one second after the Big Bang; or even three hundred million years after). The idea that somehow we back-caused all the evidence of such a cosmic history the moment we opened our eyes does not make any coherent sense of the evidence we actually have. Whereas the long grind of cosmic history leading to the generation of minds fits the evidence perfectly, without such pointlessly bizarre miracles (see, for example, How the New Wong-Hazen Proposal Refutes Theism—because it refutes Kastrup just as well).
It only gets worse from there.
Using his contrived idea of a TWE [That Which Experiences, i.e. the World Mind], which by various epicycles he gets to mean “each individual person” (individual experiencers), Kastrup argues that Idealism is more parsimonious because then “TWE and experience are of the same essential nature. More specifically, experience is a pattern of excitation of TWE.” Which “avoids the need to postulate two different ontological classes for TWE and experience, respectively.” Kastrup does not seem to understand that physicalism already enjoys this epistemic virtue, and therefore his Idealism cannot claim it.
His silly new agey phrase “pattern of excitation” can simply be unpacked as “pattern of excitation of electron chemistry in the brain” and you get mind-brain physicalism: experience and experiencer are not ontologically separate entities, but entirely identical (see Touch, All the Way Down: Qualia as Computational Discrimination and Holm Tetens, Dinesh D’Souza, and the Crazy Idea of the Mind Radio, as well as, again, The Mind Is a Process Not an Object). To experience a thing is to be an experiencer of that thing. And vice versa. You cannot separate them. You cannot ontologically have “experiences” apart from an “experiencer” on physicalism, nor the other way around. As Philip Goff noted, Kastrup mistakes Chalmers as arguing against this, but in fact Chalmers is making exactly my point: his zombies paradox is meant to prove either that dualism is true (and thus physicalism is false) or physicalism is true and therefore the mental is identical to the mechanical. In other words, if physicalism is true, that has to be the case. The only way to avoid it is to avoid physicalism (such as with some kind of dualism; or, of course, Kastrup’s upside-down monism).
That Kastrup does not understand this destroys his entire argument. His lynchpin premise is obliterated. We could mic drop here, too. But, we’ll trudge on. Because Kastrup makes errors like this a lot.
For example, he declares that “it is impossible to conceive—even in principle—of how or why any particular structural or functional arrangement of physical elements would constitute or generate experience,” merely citing for this assertion other unreliable panpsychists who make all the same mistakes (the blind leading the blind). The assertion is simply false. Numerous physicalist models of conscious experience exist (from Dennett to Melnyk to Kim to Cottrell to Churchland). I recently proposed a hybrid model based on them, in Touch, All the Way Down: Qualia as Computational Discrimination. So it is not “impossible even in principle” to conceive of physicalist explanations of qualia. (This mistake is routine among anti-physicalists, who typically don’t even read physicalists and thus don’t actually know what they have or have not done. If your only argument against physicalism is “it’s impossible, therefore false,” that is generally a sign that you are a bad philosopher.)
Similarly, “TWE [That Which Experiences, i.e. a person] is an ontological primitive, uncaused and irreducible” is not just analytically false, it’s empirically false. The entire field of cognitive science has long since refuted any such notion. Personal identity and personal experience is not irreducible but in fact extremely fragmentable and deconstructable, causally built out of countless parts, and entirely dependent on physical parts for every mental part. It therefore cannot be an ontological primitive, and certainly not an “uncaused” one. It is only ever found as the causal product of an extremely complex physical process.
You might be noticing by now what I alerted you to earlier: as we move deeper into Kastrup’s paper, his assertions become more and more implausible and pseudoscientific. Yet these are the very premises he rests his argument on. So, once again, we could mic drop here, too. But we will trudge on.
You’ll see his paper reach a crescendo of the absurd when Kastrup actually pseudoscientifically references intergalactic structure as evidence the universe is a mind. He asks and answers his own question on this: “Is there any circumstantial empirical evidence for this kinship? As it turns out, there is: a study has shown unexplained structural similarities—not necessarily functional ones, mind you—between the universe at its largest scales and biological brains.” He thus even mentions the fact that this is not a functional similarity, which means it is completely incapable of evincing any point he intended to make, yet he proceeds in the paper as if it has done that. He has delusionally erased from his mind his own words. Egregious errors like that should certainly never pass peer review—much less all the other errors; least of all, all combined! This is why philosophy has a rep for being stupid.
Needless to say, the reason the brain (actually, only the cortex; the rest of the brain does not share this structure) is organized similarly to the universe (and in fact similarly to social networks, too) is that these structures are following the same physics. The cortex evolved to maximize network efficiency. Evolving cosmic gravity-wells do the same thing. By analogy, you can find that trees grow in the same fractal structure as coastlines. But that does not mean coastlines are alive or produce fruit or will catch fire. The distribution of network nodes in the universe is random with respect to computational function, rather like if we took your brain, kept its structure, but randomly connected every synapse instead—and left out methylation of the DNA in their attached neurons that governs the I/O protocol. The result would not be conscious. It would just be meat.
With this egregious misstep, Kastrup turns on a dime to conclude that because experience and experiencer must be identical (even though that’s also true on physicalism), and fractal structure is shared between the human cortex and galaxies (even though that has nothing to do with function and thus consciousness), all this “must be interpreted parsimoniously as implying solely that all activity in the physical universe is accompanied by conscious inner life at some level.” This is non sequitur after non sequitur, built atop scientifically illiterate falsehood after scientifically illiterate falsehood. None of these premises leads to any of Kastrup’s peculiar conclusions. His entire argument is devoid of logic. It’s just all the worse that it’s ignorant of the relevant science.
A House of Collapsing Cards
Kastrup puts all these errors together and cites another nut falsely claiming there is “good reason to treat entangled systems,” like the cosmos, “as irreducible wholes” and so “if the cosmos is an irreducible whole,” Kastrup affirms, “then TWE,” meaning, again, personal consciousness, “which is associated with the entire cosmos,” per that previous stream of non sequiturs, “must be unitary.” This is a travesty of error, the bulk of which I have already illuminated. But now we get an equivocation fallacy: that patterns are irreducible does not mean the things that manifest them are. The specific pattern of the brain that distinguishes you as a person from anyone else is irreducible in the analytical sense that you cannot take it apart and still have you. Just like you cannot take away the sides of a triangle and still have a triangle. The pattern that is “triangle” is, qua triangle, irreducible.
But this is an analytical property, not a physical one. Obviously, while the pattern that is you is irreducible, you certainly are reducible. You know we could kill you by tearing apart the pattern of your brain. Because the pattern of a brain cannot think, just like the pattern of a heart cannot pump blood. To do these things, the patterns have to be instantiated in a material. And that instantiating material is reducible, not irreducible. So it is not possible to get from “the cosmos is an irreducible whole” in terms of its pattern of arrangement to “the cosmos is irreducible” in terms of what it is, much less to “the cosmos thinks or is the product of thought.” There are no logical connections establishing any of these assertions.
By this point, Kastrup’s entire argument is dead, collapsed into a pile of nonsense and nonsequiturs. But he is oblivious to this (as were all his peer reviewers), and instead he rambles on, such as to explain why, if mind is the basis of existence, we don’t share thoughts or experiences, with a completely made-up analogy to psychological disassociation (whereby people psychologically compartmentalize what they know, producing “alters,” multiple disconnected selves). He never explains why this should be the case. Why is the Great Mind doing this to us? Why would it ever? (Much less always?) And if mind is primary, why can this never be overcome? Physicalists can explain actual dissociation in terms of neuronal pathway switching (such as produces any other delusion). But how does that work if neurons are a product and not a cause of thought? Kastrup imagines (like any tinfoil hatter) that if he can come up with any cockamamie reason for a thing, then magically, it becomes true. Never mind why or how, or even what evidence there is for any of it (much less why literally everyone should be insane in precisely this way).
And that last point is the most fundamental: when you are making grand claims in physics (and that is what Kastrup is doing), you are obligated to present scientific evidence for those claims. You can’t just sit in the armchair, invent wildly bizarre and complex ontologies, and then declare them true. This is one of those things philosophy is supposed to have made progress on and put in the past: a reliance on unempirical armchair “science.” By contrast, we can cite a lot of real science casting Superstring Theory as a likely model of reality—and still we don’t conclude it is therefore true. It is promising. It is far more probable than most alternatives. And it is all those things on a basis of scientific evidence. But Kastrup wants to jump the queue and claim his wild theory is better than even Superstring Theory, and not only better, but surely correct—when Kastrup’s theory lacks every epistemic virtue Superstring Theory has, and yet competent intellectuals don’t even consider Superstring Theory to be “confirmed.” Kastrup’s theory is even less confirmed than that—and by vast degree, since it rests, as I just showed, on egregious failures of logic and misunderstandings of science.
Cascading Logic-Fails
I won’t bother analyzing Kastrup’s elaborate and ridiculous theory of alters and disassociation, because none of it connects to reality. He presents no evidence for any of it. And he never explains why reality would be like that (instead of some other way). It’s just a gerrymander, to explain why his theory does not predict what physicalism does—such as why I can’t experience what your brain is experiencing. That is already empirically known to be because your and my brains are not physically networked together, and are running physically separate self-constructs. We don’t need some weirdo theory about widespread cosmic disassociation magic.
But his crazy theory then sticks him in even deeper weeds. As he himself admits, how do we determine what entities have alters? What sets the boundaries between experiencing agents? “What about plants? Rocks? Atoms? Subatomic particles?” he says. Are they conscious agents? Kastrup settles on “metabolizing organisms” (which would make even every individual bacterium conscious) but he never gives any empirical or logical reason for this. Physicalism has already answered this question, and empirically: conscious experience requires complex integrated model-building computation; consequently, boundaries between conscious agents are created by the physical boundaries between complex integrated model-building computations.
So, your physical brain is necessary to experience things—it has the requisite complexity and computational integration. But it is physically separate from my physical brain. So we don’t share its direct outputs (my brain is not in your brain, nor connected to it in any pertinent way). It is also physically distinct from a bacterium, which lacks sufficient components even, much less specific organization, to produce complex integrated model-building computation. It is a computer. But it is vastly simpler (closer to an everyday machine) and thus does not build and navigate world models (much less self-models), because it cannot. That would require an immensely more complex organ, specifically organized to produce that output—which is why brains exist and are so large, voracious, and complex: you can’t have conscious experience without them.
Here we see his most embarrassing failure of reasoning. The only reason Kastrup gives for concluding it is all and only metabolizing organisms that are conscious (and somehow, by magic, causing themselves to be alters separated from the grand underlying consciousness of the universe) is that (and I kid you not) “we are the only structures known to have dissociated streams of inner experiences” and when our metabolism “slows down or stops the dissociation seems to reduce or end” and “these observations alone suggest strongly that metabolizing life is the structure corresponding to alters.” Holy balls. Let’s count his mistakes:
- He literally just conflated humans with “metabolizing organisms.” But the latter include all animals, plants, and bacteria, which are not “known” to generate self-consciousness. To the contrary, all scientific evidence entails plants and bacteria don’t, and indeed can’t, generate experiences at all, while most animals don’t, and indeed can’t, generate self-conscious experience.
- He literally just committed a fallacy of Affirming the Consequent: “we observe that if something is conscious, then it is a metabolizing organism; therefore, if there is a metabolizing organism, it is conscious.” Um. No. By that reasoning, “we observe that if there are cats, there is poop; therefore, if there is poop, there are cats.” And thus we deleted dogs from the universe (along with all other animal life).
- And incredibly, in the very same sentence he also committed a fallacy of Denying the Antecedent (!): “we observe that if there is a metabolizing organism, there is consciousness” (from the fallacy of affirming the consequent I just called out), “therefore, if there is no metabolizing organism, there is no consciousness” (which fallacy becomes the basis later for his asserting the impossibility of AI). By that reasoning, “we observe that if it is snowing, it is cold outside; therefore, if it is not snowing, it is not cold outside.” Just because all the computers most of us are familiar with are electronic, does not mean you can’t make computers without electronics.
- And then, because of his Affirming the Consequent and Denying the Antecedent, he conflated “having a metabolism” with “being conscious,” which confuses necessary with sufficient causes and overlooks the fact that having a metabolism is neither, unless you define it so broadly that even computers have metabolisms (computers convert energy into function, disperse waste heat, and can repair damaged software, and even learn and thus functionally “grow”; and even in terms of physical components, there are already self-repairing robots now). But when narrowly defined, a metabolism is merely a sufficient, not a necessary, cause of experiences, since anything that handles energy and waste flow and learns can be conscious. But not everything that does that is conscious. Being able to “handle energy and waste flow and learn” is a necessary cause of experiences, but not a sufficient cause. To have a sufficient cause, you must combine “handling energy and waste flow and learning” with a suitably complex integration of computation (you need world-model building; and for self-consciousness, you need to turn that around into self-model building: see Ten Years to the Robot Apocalypse and my recent discussion of Bogus AI).
- Kastrup thus fails to notice that what makes the difference between “having a metabolism” and “having experiences” is the latter (a computer), not the former (a metabolism). That’s why we don’t negotiate social contracts with bacteria or grass. So while removing a metabolism (or equivalent) will conk-out experiencing (just as removing the gas will conk-out a car’s engine), this does not mean the metabolism is the thing that produces experiencing (any more than the gas is “the thing” causing the car to move forward: you also need an engine for that). And this is empirically confirmed: you can conk-out a person’s consciousness without taking out (or even slowing) their metabolism. You can also destroy it (brain dead patients can be kept alive on machines; and brain damage can substantially degrade one’s ability to have experiences or integrate a self, while leaving their inherent metabolism running fine). Thus, it’s the structure, not the metabolism, that demarcates experiencers from each other. This is proved negatively (bacteria and plants have metabolism but inadequate structure) and positively (humans and animals gain conscious abilities by gaining corresponding brain structures).
So, “these observations” do not even at all, much less “alone,” suggest “that metabolizing life is the structure corresponding to” what demarcates persons from each other computationally (and thus experientially). Hence he forgot conjoined twins are a thing, with one metabolism, yet two minds (oops!). To the contrary, computational structure is “the structure” that demarcates persons from each other computationally (and thus experientially). Kastrup’s secondary theory is thus also refuted. He can’t fix his broken theory with this epicycle, because all scientific evidence refutes every component of his reasoning to that conclusion. So we are looking at pseudoscientific crackpottery here. Not competent philosophy. Why would anyone allow all this to be published in their journal and still expect to maintain anyone’s intellectual respect? It’s like a meteorology journal publishing demonic theories of weather.
The nonsense continues with such nonsequiturs as that microbes and plants compute things (they engage in rudimentary intelligent action, e.g. plants can move toward light and amoebae can manufacture shells), therefore they “have dissociated streams of inner experiences.” By that logic, so do desktop computers and factory robots; even your wristwatch. There is no logical connection here between computing (processing an input into an output) and experiential computing (building and navigating world models, or self-models, either of which being necessary to being an experiencer and thus having experiences).
That Kastrup is blind to this point is shown by the fact that he thinks things “engineered by humans to merely simulate the behavior of living beings, such as robots” are categorically different from microbes and plants. They are not. They are all computing machines. And there are computers now that surpass the computational abilities of microbes and plants. That simply isn’t enough to generate a specific kind of computation, any more than having an exaFLOP supercomputer constitutes having the world’s most awesome run of Dwarf Fortress. You could, but only if that’s the computation you configured it to run—rather than, say, just storing inside it a digital library of third-rate romance novels, or making it play pong with itself trillions of times a second. Even metabolism itself is a form of computation—just not of building world or self models (and thus, not an experiential computation), but running mechanical logistics (merely moving things around, like any other robot, to keep an organism alive). Merely keeping an organism alive is empirically not the same computation as generating experiences, just as Pong is empirically not Dwarf Fortress.
Things gets even more into gibberish when Kastrup tries to distinguish perceptions from thoughts, so as to argue that before individual “alters” formed (for some inadequately explained reason), the cosmic mind only had thoughts, not perceptions. But…why? Why would a fundamental mind need physical organs to “perceive” when physical things don’t even exist in the first place, except as thoughts of the world mind? Of course Kastrup never explains how that is even possible (much less presents any evidence that it is true). Without perceptions (such as in the imagination), what would thoughts be about? How can you have “thoughts” without any kind of perceptions for those thoughts to reference and catalog? It is not enough to separate active perceptions from imagination, since those aren’t different in any way relevant to the point (and indeed, in the human brain, they run on the same machinery—you might remember Thomas Ward got theology into the same weeds here). Imagining a democracy or an apple is just as much a perceptual event in the experiential sense; and you cannot think about democracies or apples without any way of perceiving what those things are. Even emotions constitute discriminations in a perceptual field. To feel sad or in pain is to make a perceptual distinction between two states of being, and that is in fact what all thoughts are doing, which is not categorically different from distinguishing red from blue or sound from color (see my discussion in Touch, All the Way Down).
Kastrup descends from there into pages of sheer quackery devoid of any evidence or logic, all to build a Rube Goldbergesque contraption to explain how his model can explain observations (like, why thoughts feel different from perceptions, which is no different from asking why colors feel different from sounds), which is all made-up, and mostly nonsense. It’s all armchair gobbledygook. Which all ignores (and often contradicts) the actual evolutionary history of human perception and reasoning (see The Argument from Reason and Why Plantinga’s Tiger Is Pseudoscience, and, again, Touch, All the Way Down).
In the process, Kastrup contradicts even himself, frequently basing his explanations on things like physics and biology (relying on everything from “the second law of thermodynamics” to what “helped our ancestors survive and reproduce”), when those aren’t supposed to exist so as to control what the mind-substrate thinks or does. If mind was the base of reality, why would there be a “second law of thermodynamics” or things that “help our ancestors survive and reproduce”? Why is there even surviving and reproducing (an operation of physics), much less things that can physically help or hurt and thus select new forms of biology? Why would entropy be a problem that has to be addressed, when a mind can just do without it? Being irreducible, it cannot be subject to entropy itself. So why would it make a physical world subject to it? Why would it produce a physical world at all?
What the hell are quarks for?
Concluding Observations
Needless to say, intellectually, this is all garbage. But I’ve only described the first half of Kastrup’s paper. The second half devolves into more just-so storytelling, articulating a ridiculously elaborate expansion of his model to account for what he had previously listed as basic facts. As I already noted, he does not justify any of what he makes up here. There is no evidence presented. There are no logical entailments presented. He just makes stuff up, a massive and bizarre architecture, and never explains why the world should be that way. It’s all instead invented just to force his Idealism to fit the facts. It is not justified in any way. Indeed, he adds epicycles for everything, even to explain Libet experiments with a convoluted theory of nested disassociation for which he has no evidence and that is needlessly complicated compared to the far simpler explanation of physicalism.
It’s very much like Ptolemy’s geocentric model: a bizarre and elaborate contraption to force the facts to fit the model, without any explanation of why anything should even be like that. Why are the planets stuck in stacked circular epicycles? Why are they arranged in such a bizarrely convoluted way? Why are they even where they are? Why do they move at the theorized velocities they do? All of these things are automatically entailed and thus explained by the vastly simpler theory of Newtonian heliocentrism. So why are we trying to defend Ptolemy’s geocentrism? It’s a crap explanation compared to Newtonian heliocentrism. Ptolemy at least had the excuse that he didn’t know about that alternative, and lacked a foundation in the needed science to come up with it himself (e.g. he was not convinced of inertial theory or universal gravitation; although those were known ideas of his time, they had not yet been empirically proved, in the way they had been by Newton’s time). But Kastrup lives in a world vast with the empirical wealth of the sciences and replete with physicalist theorizing about consciousness. He simply doesn’t consult any of it, and consequently gets almost all of it wrong, and comes up with quack ideas in their stead, all on a repeated basis of blatant fallacious reasoning.
When Kastrup gets around to what he is supposed to be doing (but almost never does in this paper), trying seriously to disprove his thesis before believing it, he stumbles into fundamental errors of reasoning that serve to sustain his delusion but can’t produce a rational conclusion. For example, he claims “physicalism is inflationary” because “In addition to experience itself—the one undeniable ontological class—it postulates the existence of stuff outside and independent of experience,” but as I explained, that’s not true. As even Chalmers conceded, if physicalism is true, it does not posit two independent ontologies, but reduces experience to fundamental particle physics just like everything else. As I explain in Touch, All the Way Down, physicalism entails experience is entailed by certain arrangements of matter, and thus makes experience a highly probable outcome of basic physics. There is only one ontological reality here: matter-energy patterned in space-time, all of which has been empirically confirmed to exist (matter, energy, patterning, space, and time). There is, by contrast, no evidence for the elaborate woo shit Kastrup is talking about. There is no evidence supporting even its plausibility. More to the point, while physicalism is thus in fact deflationary, Kastrup’s theory is the one that is inflationary (he just wrote up pages and pages of weird epicycles to get his theory to work). His theory is thus the one that violates parsimony. Like angels pushing the planets, we have no need of his theory. It multiplies explanations beyond necessity; it’s theoretically over-complex, and empirically under-evidenced.
Similarly, Kastrup claims physicalism lacks explanatory power because it “cannot” explain qualia (what he means by “experience”), which I already noted is false, but he is again reversing the cart. We have plausible explanations of qualia. But Kastrup lacks plausible explanations of anything. That’s why he had to devote so many pages to constructing epicycles to get his theory convoluted enough to explain why physics exists, why brains act exactly like mechanical computers, and other obvious facts. His theory lacks explanatory power. Physicalism explains far more things, with far fewer posits. That’s why so many philosophers are convinced of it, and why Kastrup has to defend the contrary with so many fallacies of logic and misconstrued science.
And that’s even before the fact that Kastrup’s imagined cosmic mind is inherently vastly more theoretically complex than physicalism, which can get to complex minds with just a few simple building blocks and statistically inevitable processes. Which explains why the world looks exactly like we’d expect it to look if there was no God or Mind behind any of it.
And all of that is why Idealism is a dead philosophy now, boosted today only by quacks and cranks. Philosophy cannot call itself knowledge if it does not acknowledge when it has actually made progress in knowledge. And that entails dustbinning shit like this. Just as astronomy moved on from astrology, so philosophy must move on from its every equivalent.





This reminds me of your debate with Dr Alvaro. Every time one of us, myself included, asked for evidence all we got was word salad.
Good point.
Great article! The line Kastrup and his ilk always give is that their theory proposes “the same physics, but different metaphysics” as “physicalism,” whatever that means. He seems to be repackaging Liebnitz’s monadology! You know, I got a lot of insight into my consciousness out of accidentally doing 19th century style citizen-scientific experiments on myself! I discovered, for example, that alcohol has the metaphysical power to dissolve the ego through the physical power of whatever it did to my neurons! Again, I’m reminded of the paper that outlines the relationship between “occurrent” (the Vietnamese ML textbook uses the term “essence,” see p. 156! https://www.banyanhouse.org/product/ebook-the-worldview-and-philosophical-methodology-of-marxism-leninism/?sync-done ) and “phenomenon,” which, the paper says, is not “dualist.” (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295241847_The_Metaphysics_of_Constitutive_Mechanistic_Phenomena). I’m also reminded of Comrade Lenin, who pointed out in “Materialism and Empirio-criticism” that all matter has the properties of motion and what he called “reflection,” which, in turn, are what allowed material entities to evolve to possess the properties of life and consciousness, respectively! Panpsychists and other idealists constantly get this completely backwards. They’ll say, for example, that the universe is “made out of consciousness.” Nope! Consciousness is not a “substance”! It’s not an “occurrent”/”essence”! It’s merely a phenomenon! And there’s a dialectical relationship between “occurrent”/”essence” and phenomenon! 🤣
I wonder how Kastrup deals with human procreation. Somehow, two (for simplicity’s sake) TWEs relate in order to force the dissociation of a new TWE. How does that work?
On one hand, you could say that TWEs have causal control over the universal super mind in some way. That they can do a specific ritual (a ritual that for the vast majority of time every human had to do in a very specific way that seems in no way predicted by idealism, but entirely predicted by physicalism) which forces some new dissociation that the new TWE did not instantiate. There’s no reason for this to be the case under idealism, certainly not without it ALSO being the case in all sorts of other ways that we do not see (if we can create a new TWE on our own, why do out thoughts control literally nothing else – especially when creating a TWE seems the MOST POWERFUL use of a mind in the first place). And then once you get into every procreative example not involving sex (IVF being the most obvious), how the hell are the new TWEs being created?
On the other hand (and given Kastrup’s pseudo-theism), you could say the universal super mind is simply watching all these rituals (sex) take place and deciding to dissociate a part of itself when some of them occur. Given most of those rituals don’t lead to a TWE (both from lack of fertilization and miscarriage), the super mind is either very discerning or random. It can’t really be the latter or else the whole idealism enterprise falls apart. So the super mind is very discerning… but how does that match anything we see? If the super mind is the one doing the dissociation (creating a new TWE), then the sperm, eggs, and biology should have no actual effect on the process. There should be no such thing as being infertile. But moreover, if it is the super mind doing all the discerning, then there should be no reason that people need to “try” more than once. If the super mind decides two TWEs should take care of a new TWE, starting the process in June rather than July makes what kind of difference?
Also, why then does genetic inheritance matter? Why are new TWEs so much like their “parents” in ways that can’t be explained by upbringing. In an idealistic universe, only nurture should actually matter (since we are only minds interacting with other minds truly). Maybe the super mind actively chooses the new TWE to be similar to the “parent” TWEs. Maybe the super mind actively brings the two TWEs together in some way because it had already planned for a similar TWE to come into being. I don’t Kastrup takes on libertarian notions of free will, so that at least fits. But there is just no mechanism for the super mind to make decisions based on the “physical” actions of TWEs rather than mental assent (seriously, how can unwanted pregnancies occur if the creation of a new TWE is a mental process).
I know I may be preaching to the choir on some of this. Idealism seems to fail the moment you scrutinize almost anything that occurs in the real world.
Kastrup would invent a bunch more epicycles and handwave with claims about all this physics and biology just being excitations of the world mind or something.
But ultimately, you are right. This is just another example of his self-contradictory starting assumption that physics (and hence physical biology) limits what the world mind can instantiate (all the way to driving it hopelessly insane and thereby generating endless alters cut off from the rest), when that should be impossible (since physics, and thus physical biology, cannot exist at all, much less in such weirdly specific ways, but for the world mind choosing to instantiate it—and with such ruthless consistency as to beg all explanation).
I happened to just watch a video where he addressed this. He basically argues that biology/evolution is compatible with dissociation.
Which is all elaborate tinfoil-hat epicycle building, skipping all the actual empirical science a real philosopher would have to do to get to any such result.
It’s rather like saying that layered fossils are compatible with Young Earth Creationism because everything sank to different levels in the Great Flood that covered the Earth. Sure, that’s an internally coherent notion. But it’s wildly convoluted (and thus massively violates Ockham’s Razor), is actually refuted by tons of empirical evidence the apologist is ignoring, and is based on no actual scientific methodology: it’s just an armchair just-so story, not a testable hypothesis they actually ran reliable tests on to confirm before asserting.
Kastrup is behaving exactly like that. Which is why he is a pseudophilosopher.
One of my many problems with idealism is the totally non-trivial, non-intuitive nature of reality.
It seems that, if the world were to be at all like the idealist would predict, the mechanisms of mental action would work perfectly. Models would match reality.
Instead, we live in a world where it is challenging to even imagine the nature of the underlying reality, where chaos theory and the calculus of things and quantum mechanics and uncertainty make the world complex in precisely the way the idealist never anticipates.
Yes. It’s like Yoda says, “luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.” The problem with his statement is that matter itself is not “crude”! We are “luminous beings” precisely because we’re made of matter! Because it’s the electrons in the atoms we’re made of radiating infrared photons that makes us “luminous beings”! I like to imagine myself radiating these infrared photons! It’s how the Laplacian Demon would see me! 🤩
You’re right. And this cuts to a semantic folly:
Idealists tend to confuse the simplicity of the indexer with the simplicity of the indexed. Just because I can write the words “love” and “quark” with a few letters does not make either simple. The proper Kolmogorov complexity of those things is the thing that has to be explained.
Even quarks, which structurally have a low Kolmogorov complexity (they only have a few properties and which are unambiguously defined), do not altogether have a low Kolmogorov complexity, because that must measure the selection of the quark to exist in that role, over against all other possibles. If you leave that unexplained, this complexity is vast (it is an extremely improbable arbitrary choice, especially for a mind that can just think things into existence and thus doesn’t even need particles, much less quarks), whereas if you have a structurally simple theory (like Superstring Theory) that makes quarks inevitable, you have considerably reduced their Kolmogorov complexity. That is what it means to have a successful explanation.
This is why the Presocratic notion that objects fall because they “love” the Earth is actually not a good explanation, because it simply buries under a verbal expression what hasn’t been at all explained. Idealism is just a runaway application of this same error.
Theists do exactly this same thing when they claim God reduces the Kolmogorov complexity of quarks because “it is inevitable” that God would do it with quarks. But they never present any reason to believe that that would be how he would do it. So they have simply “Mary Sued” the problem away, which is to say, they have simply hidden the problem under the rug of assertions, and not actually explained anything.
I make this point with regard to qualia in The End of Christianity: theists will say qualia exist and are as they are because God made us in his image and thus we experience consciousness as he does, but why should we believe a god would experience qualia at all, much less specifically those? They actually haven’t explained anything. By contrast, any explanation that would actually make this conclusion probable (such as in Touch, All the Way Down) never includes gods.
It’s always so funny to see Christians simultaneously talk as if God is an artist, a sophisticated mind, did all these complex things (and lives in a universe with all of this associated supernatural baggage like “sin” which then must trigger additional information about God – e.g. “God cannot change sin” or “God is unwilling to change the sin system”), and then argue that God is in fact maximally simple. You can’t go from talking about the grand mystery of the trinity which doesn’t make sense even to you to talking about how irreducibly simple this idea is.
And, of course, the error can be trivially responded to. “Okay, it’s ‘just God’ or ‘just ideas’? Great. It’s ‘just natural'”. One of the many errors is that they are ignoring (delusionally or disingenuously) the fact that they need a mechanism too . The immense success of naturalist explanations has made people forget that naturalist explanations providing actual non-mysterious mechanisms for action is not some irrelevant trait . How does God work? How does idealism work? What are the specific mechanisms? Those mechanisms are supernaturalistic, but just like any magic system in a fictional setting, they’d still be laid out, with specific limitation and delimitation. And in that, one gets at an immensely complex system even to just be internally coherent let alone to come close to predicting our reality.
It would be great to see you get in a debate with Bernardo on youtube. I’d totally watch it!
From what I’ve read, I suspect that would be insufferable. All claptrap, deepity, and rhetorical gaming rather than any substantive argument.
You’ve clearly never really read his work. I can tell because most of the problems you’ve raised have been answered directly. Not only are you wrong about obvious things, you also attempt to mischaracterize Bernardo in just about every instance you provide “evidence”.
I’ll give an example here, you wrote “What I pointed out there applies here: if reality were mind-first, it should act like it. But it doesn’t. Our thoughts and beliefs cannot alter or even affect reality, except through physical machinery.”
So, can you already see the flaw? I can. Firstly, the claim is not that realitys is in our mind, but in mind as an ontic category. Secondly, can you control your mind, your thoughts in completeness? Not only do we not have absolute control of our mind “we would all be infinitely happy and satisfied in our current situation in life if that were the case”, but contents of the mind, especially ones based in feeling, are PRESENTED to us, not chosen. You arguments are weak and rely on trying to discredit Bernardo by mostly mischaracterizations, and anyone who has actually read the source material isn’t convinced by your long winded take down which ultimately says very little . Like a typical philosopher who has nothing new to say, you are trying hard to keep your career relevant by taking down someone whos in the public eye. Good luck lmao
First, you have not answered the objection. I am surprised you think you did. My objection is not met by your response (read the entire paragraph you only cherry pick a quote from).
Second, you have not cited a single page in any work by Kastrup that you claim I didn’t read because it somehow answers my objection. You just made some shit up right here from the armchair. That’s crank. And that is why Idealism is crank: only crankery can defend it.
Third, you also clearly did not read my linked article that I said goes into specific examples of how physicalism better explains these observations than idealism, without idealism inventing ever-more-elaborate epicycles that aren’t inherently probable and thus only reduce its probability despite seeming to the naive as rescuing it (this is a fundamental point of logic). You can’t just make up “just so” stories to explain away evidence. You need evidence that your stories are true.
And finally, your just-so story is false. I absolutely control enough of the contents of my mind to establish my point. By my own choice and will, in my mind right now I am having R2D2 popping through a mysterious portal along with me to fight Maximillian on the USS Cygnus, thus rescuing Dr. Durant from being buzzed to death. We just won! The doctor is saved! And we rescue the remaining crew through our portal. Because in this universe I am a 20th level Wizard.
Funny how I can’t make that happen outside my mind.
And for why this is a serious flaw in Idealism, read my discussion of the example of which theory better explains how microwave ovens work. As just one example.
Making up fake stories to impugn the motives of anyone who proves your hero is bad at philosophy and arrogantly wrong about everything does tell me a lot about you though: you are not a critical thinker and thus not competent to have an opinion worth heeding in this subject.
You will not hear that or accept it. Because you are too delusional to have an objective, self-critical mind capable of escaping false beliefs you have emotionally attached yourself to.
Ill get back to you after my shift with sources 😀
Though I’ll make one brief point now.
““What I pointed out there applies here: if reality were mind-first, it should act like it. But it doesn’t. Our thoughts and beliefs cannot alter or even affect reality, except through physical machinery.”
You are begging the question here. its quite identical to the famous story about Berkleys Idealism. Here’s the quote.
“After we came out of the church, we stood talking for some time together of Bishop Berkeley’s ingenious sophistry to prove the non-existence of matter, and that every thing in the universe is merely ideal. I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it, “I refute it thus.”
Clearly begging the question, as it assumes its premise to prove itself, when that is the very point in contention, is it not?
Claiming the world “acts as if its physical” is assuming already that this is not what mental contents look like. Yes bernardo does in fact claim there is an external world out there, its just not physical but mental. it is experiential. Claiming that this complicates things any more than the hard problem itself is ridiculous, ill return to that point later when i actually have time to refute you.
The dream example makes another excellent example of this, as you experience both an inner and outer world in dream. None the less, both contents mind, external objects just being a different form of manifestation. As i didn’t write you a 30 page exhaustive reply, i’ll be sure to come back later and provide source. and one final note, boy are you so so so angry. All of your personal attacks are honestly repulsive and unnecessary, and weaken your position in my eyes (which is already flimsy , and yes i read your sources). There’s no need to act that way if your certain of your position. Anyway, good luck angry boy, ill be back to refute you later.
It might be if I didn’t present evidence for the statement that you are ignoring. But I did.
Begging the question is making a statement without evidence. So you cannot credit that fallacy here.
Quoting someone else’s argument to straw man mine, however, is a fallacy.
So that you are ignoring my good argument and pretending it was someone else’s bad argument proves my point that you have been delusionally captured and cannot reason objectively about this subject.
I told you to check the microwave oven example, which is in the article already cited as evidence in my article, in respect to the statement you don’t want to be true. You now pretend that didn’t happen.
I also told you to avoid the fallacy of gerrymandering (“ever-more-elaborate epicycles”) and linked you to what that is so you know it’s fallacious and can avoid attempting it. You now pretend that didn’t happen.
And I presented another argument in my last comment that you completely ignored here. Which is blatantly peculiar to everyone watching.
This is all evidence of your irrational emotionalism and commitment to defending a false belief at all costs, rather than checking yourself for false beliefs first. You ignore every good argument, make up bad ones, and pretend that’s all you have to rebut, then congratulate yourself that you won the argument, when every sane person watching this happen has their face in their palms.
You need to get out of this trap. You will never grasp reality if you remain trapped in your hall of mirrors. Learn The Scary Truth about Critical Thinking and live it. Stop defending what you want to be true. Care more about discovering if what you want to be true even is true. And adjust your desires accordingly.
Philosopher A: Your philosophy is baloney
Philosopher B: You’re a whackadoodle
That’s a tu quoque fallacy. It ignores the difference between true and false statements. Real philosophy exists in true statements. Pseudophilosophy hides behind false ones.
Fascinating article; clearly a great deal of thought has gone into it.
There’s something I don’t understand though – the relationship of physicalism and order.
There are different theories about the laws of physics; some say they were present at the ‘moment” of the Big Bang.
One interesting theory I came across was that it was several trillionths of a second during which there was pure chaos, then order appeared.
Now, I’ve been having difficulty getting clear on a definition of physicalism that isn’t hampered by Hempel’s dilemma. I spoke with a tenured philosophy professor recently who has a book on physicalism coming out later this year. He said that it is rare that it is clearly defined, and it is also rare that a large group of philosophers will agree on much of anything!
But he said generally speaking, a safe definition that is not affected by Hempel’s dilemma is simply that “whatever is fundamental is not mental.”
So here’s where I’m confused – if you assume a non conscious, non intelligent, fundamental reality, wouldn’t your expectation during those few trillionths of second be that chaos would continue?
Physicalism is well defined and has an abundant peer reviewed literature. See my article My Monthly Recommendation: Understanding Physicalism as a Philosophy for a start.
I actually developed that definition of it. It originated in print in Sense and Goodness without God in 2005 and broadcast it in Free Inquiry in 2010 and it was first used in the formal literature by Yonatan Fishman in 2009, citing me; but I had been circulating it among philosophers online since 2003; and Yudkowski reformulated it in terms of information theory around 2012 (see Defining Naturalism: The Definitive Account).
Your question is more in the subject of cosmology than the idealism-realism debate that this article is on. But it’s a good question.
It comes down to the ontology of physical law. And there are different theories of that within the physicalist community. But the dominant view is that geometry dictates all laws. In other words, there is no actual such thing as just “a law of physics.” There is simply a description of the geometry of a space, which we write down in the form of laws.
As such there is never any condition where there is something and no laws governing it. The laws governing it are entailed by the geometry it has, and to exist it must have some geometry (that is indeed what it means to say something exists on physicalism). The objective of scientists is simply to work out which geometries realize which laws and how (there are popular proposals being tested).
Hempel’s Dilemma conflates sentences (written in a language) with propositions (the cognitive content, or hypothetical or actual physical model, that a sentence refers to). So possibly you need to get up to speed on that distinction first.
But assuming we’re up to speed on that, your question is, rather, what physical laws describe a proper nothing-state (not a split second later, but the state itself).
Of course that assumes there ever was one of those (cosmologists admit there might never have been; everything could be past-eternal). So we’re already in a hypothesis (presuming, as yet unknown, that such a nothing-state ever existed to describe correctly). But assuming (ex hypothesi) that that’s true, the description is logically entailed (the thing itself entails a description).
I have explored the consequences of that many times here, but the best place to start is with an actual peer reviewed effort that lines up with mine, Lincoln-Wasser Cosmology. That then links to my discussions of the role of logical necessity and how law-bound universes are an inevitable outcome of any lawless nothing-state, simply by virtue of randomized geometries. See for example my discussion of thermodynamics and All Universes Are Mathematical.
After catching up on all that, for a more “meta” discussion of the question of the origin of “unformities” (a catch-all inclusive of all geometries and theories of physical law) see my discussion of the Argument from Uniformities.
Once you’re up on all that the conclusion follows:
For a chaos to stay a total chaos is the least probable outcome when outcomes are randomly selected; and when no law governs what is selected, only random outcomes are possible.
Getting a total chaos is like rolling dice a thousand times and never getting patterns—that’s actually a signal the dice are not rolling randomly, and thus requires laws or design (which cannot exist when nothing does), because randomness necessarily generates uniformities. To get none is almost impossible. What we should expect then is a chaos with some accidentally emergent order. And that’s what we observe (the Big Bang distribution of initial conditions was chaotic with just a few emergent consistencies producing all observed order, as per the Wong-Hazen Thesis).
This sounds to me like after the fact description posing as an explanation, but I’m happy to leave it at that, since there is no possibility of any empirical evidence for some kind of ontologically self-existent “physical stuff.”
It is, rather, an identity relation.
For example, any correct description of a triangle entails all the laws of trigonometry. No extra thing needs to be added. It’s not like you can ever have a triangle that disobeys or ignores the laws of trig. The laws of trig simply are a description of triangles. And in result, we can deduce “laws” about what is true or false about triangles or what they can or can’t do or what properties they can or can’t manifest.
This is why I cited my article on Thermodynamics as a walk-through example of this.
But the most common example is inverse square laws: that is simply a description of radiation into three dimensional space. So any unimpeded radiation into a three dimensional space will obey inverse square laws (hence, all the laws of force in modern physics, for all the forces, gravity on down) because inverse square laws describe what unimpeded radiation into a three dimensional space always necessarily looks like. It’s simply an inalienable fact of any such geometry.
There is therefore no “explanation” needed for any of these things. They are self-explaining. Because the geometry explains it. And the geometry exhausts all there is about it.
On the question of “ontologically self-existent physical stuff,” there are many theories in physics being tested, but the one I think has the best case for it philosophically is that all “stuff” is actually knotted spacetime, e.g. quarks are just knotted fluctuations in a multidemensional Calabi-Yau space (hence my article I just linked on superstring theory). So only spacetime is “self-existent.” Everything else is emergent (including the structure of spacetime itself).
Which actually makes sense. Because spacetime is the only thing that does not need a place and time to exist (it is place and time), whereas everything else can’t exist without there first being a place and time for it to exist at. So we should expect spacetime to be fundamental and everything else emergent.
As for how or why spacetime would exist, that is actually a logically necessary outcome of there being nothing to decide what would exist. One way to put it is: for nothing to stay nothing (or to be what would exist at all) is to select from all possible things that can exist the singular permutation of a zero point of spacetime (since you can’t have anything less than zero space and time).
But the probability of selecting that (when nothing exists to pick that over all alternative things that can exist) is infinity to one against. The probability is infinity to one in favor that some spacetime will exist, if what exists is not decided by any design or law. So spacetime necessarily exists. Or, more precisely, it is logically necessarily the case that the probability that a spacetime will exist is infinity to one.
This is covered in the Lincoln-Wasser link, which starts with its scientific basis. But that breadcrumbs to my detailed logical demonstration in The Problem with Nothing.
Examples of philosophers who have come to a similar conclusion include Nicholas Rescher, The Riddle of Existence: An Essay in Idealistic Metaphysics (1984); Peter Van Inwagen, “Why Is There Anything at All?” Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society (1996); Bede Rundle, Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing (2004); Sean Carroll, “Why Is There Something, Rather Than Nothing?” The Routledge Companion to Philosophy of Physics (2021).
See also several chapters in Tyron Goldschmidt, ed., The Puzzle of Existence: Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing? (2013), especially “The Probabilistic Explanation of Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing” by Matthew Kotzen,
You seem to be taking Bernardo to be saying that the facts of physicalism are more easily conceded than the apparently weird assumptions of idealism.
But this phrase has exactly the opposite meaning, as Bernardo has elaborated countless times. Given our cradle to grave physicalist conditioning, ON FIRST IMPRESSION (prima facie, in other words – without thinking carefully and setting aside our physicalist biases and conditioning) it may seem (however erroneous it is in fact) that physicalist predictions are more easily conceded. But with just a little further reflection, it becomes irrefutably obvious that NONE of these are actually predicted by physicalism!
This is obvious upon even minimal reflection, as physicalism is simply an apophatic declaration of faith in something which by definition could not possibly exist.
I’m not sure what you mean. I assume (?) you are talking about this sentence, which doesn’t have the word “concede” in it:
This is not a single sentence I am referring to. It’s an entire section in his study where he very plainly says these specific things are “more easily reconcilable” with the facts than idealism, and that is why he needs to develop an elaborate alternative way of arguing idealism is a better explanation. This is literally the justification for his entire study.
One can characterize that ensuing argument as insisting that secunda facie idealism better explains the facts; but that’s why I said prima facie—because that’s exactly what he said. This is a direct quote from Kastrup (I’ll leave the endnote markers in so you can see this is a copy and paste from Kastrup):
I then explain why Kastrup’s secunda facie case fails in the article here that you are commenting on.
The facts of consciousness are predicted by physicalism, and better so than idealism, which struggles to explain the vast array of oddities in the facts of mind-brain physicalism, whereas physicalism requires no epicycles at all to do that. Likewise that the world operates “independent of personal volition” and consistently from inobvious “subatomic particles” and is “the same” for everyone (while what differs is solely confined to individual minds apart from all external realities, even of their body and brain).
So it is the sentence “physicalism is simply an apophatic declaration of faith in something which by definition could not possibly exist” that is obviously false and just some nonsense dogma one must chant at oneself a thousand times to trick yourself into believing it.